"Bible Bob" wrote
: What proof do you have that He does not exist? It's not my job to
: prove the existence of God or the truth of the Word; that is God's job
: and each individual's responsibility to weigh the eveidence in their
: own minds.
The burden of proof is on the one making the positve claim.
: >: All science can do is investigate phenomena because phenomena exists
: >: in the five senses world.
: >What evidence do you have they anything exists beyond what can be
: >by the five senses?
: Ask Kant?
Just throwing things out that you don't really understand?
: >: Noumenon are a different story.
: >How does one go about discerning noumenon in order to show that noumenon
: Get saved.
: >: The reason that matter exists is because spirit existed first.
: >Can you demonstrate that conclusion?
: Look out your window.
How does that demonstrate your assertion?
: Before I became a Christian. No. I wasn't into thinking much back
: then. After becoming a Christian? Of course not, I could never get
: my IQ down to that level:)
In other words, you have not considered all the possibilities.
: >: You stated that "every" test applied is negative, then the smart thing
: >: to do would be to get better test instruments.
: >What instruments would you suggest?
: Holy spirit.
That is a figment of your imagination.
: >: God does interact
: >: with the world on a scientific basis but He uses superior science.
: >Please give some examples of this superior science.
: Look outside your window.
I see evolution when I look out my window.
: >: A scientist will look out his window and see the effect of God's work.
: >Where is your evidence that this is god's work?
: Where is your evidence - not theory or hypothesis or guess- that it is
Again, the burden of proof is on the one making the positve claim.
: >: He will see the ground, the mountains, a sky, the sun, a squirrel in
: >: the tree and a bird in the sky. The normal person will say recognize
: >: that these are the effects of God.
: >Only because they are programmed to believe it.
: Who programmed them?
Who put it in their DNA?
: Superstition would imply wrong.
: Christians are not superstituous
: because they are right.
: God is not a myth, what some people say about
: God are myths.
No, God is a myth.
: I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I was
: asked a question and I gave an answer.
No one said you were, but you certainly haven't answered the question
: You've been around long enough
: to know that I won't cower to tyrany, injustice, superstition, or myth
: propogated by those who stand against me.
What tyranny? I don't know about cower, but you have allowed yourself to be
deluded by superstition and myth.
: >: You sway some your way with
: >: bribes and trickery and pseudo reasoning backed up with science mixed
: >: in with unscience. But, many of us chose not to be deceived because
: >: we know that there is more in it for us if we stick with the truth.
: >But you are the deceived ones.
: I'm not the one trying convince me about supersititious myths so I am
: not decieved. It's been my expereince that deceivers are the ones
: that are decieved. Vain philosophy doesn't impress or motivate me.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything; I am merely stating the fact
that the bible, and therefore, god is nothing but superstition and myth. You
are free to believe differently if you so choose.
: >: You say God does not answer prayer. I say God does answer prayer when
: >: prayers are prayed His way. I know through scientific analysis that
: >: this is true. You have nothing but your words and the words of others
: >: that are subject to error.
: >Wrong! There is no evidence that god has answered prayers. All you have
: >the myths Zoroastrian Persians foisted on the rest of the world.
: No. Right. And you can not prove otherwise. I have scientific
: evidence that prayer does work. You have nothing but superstituous
: myths blabbered by pseudo philosophers and pseudo scientists.
Wrong! You are the one who believe superstituous myths as incorporated in
: Bear, I thought we agreed not to try to convert one another.
I'm not trying to convert anyone. I am simply not going to stand by while
somebody tries to put forth myths and superstition as truth.
: You will
: not win an argument with me when it comes to God and the things of
: God, unless you do it God's way.
I'm not attempting to win anything.
I do not post to the groups to
: debate or argue the Word. That is not my job. My job is to share
: what I have learned with those who want to know it. So unless you
: have a sincere honest question please refrain from trying to get me to
: lower my standards.
My job is also to show people what I have learned and I refuse to lower my
standards by allowing people to pass off ancient fairy tales as truth. So,
unless you have empirical evidence that what you say is true, don't bother
making unsupported assertions.
And I know its my own damn fault.