Discussion:
What Evidence Do You Have Against Me?
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Art Bulla
2007-06-10 06:59:49 UTC
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5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.

EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY

What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right, is
not true? I have your word only, for behold ye do not know, neither do you
consider your own consciences or minds, and reflect upon them. Behold, you
have no evidence, but I have the written testimony of all these, my
brethren, the Prophets of Israel, as testimony, and I have the testimony of
thunderings and lightnings which shall streak forth, and I have the
testimony of the earth which shall move to and fro as a drunken man in that
day, and I have the testimony of a voice which shook the ground upon which I
stood, and I have also the testimony of the Holy Ghost which dwelleth within
me to the confounding of the world, and death and hell, and the wicked and
unbelievers and scoffers, and I have the ministration of angels, one of
which hurled the Green Beret onto his back unhurt, and I have the testimony
of being removed from my body to behold His face, and I have the testimony
of speaking in the Adamic tongue for upwards of an hour while conversing
with Him in the Spirit of the Most High, and I have the testimony of my
laying my hands upon the Heroin addict whose heart was pure and who was
humble and desired a witness after baptism by immersion at my hands, and him
receiving in great power, the Holy Ghost and exclaiming aloud while under
the power thereof, and I have the testimony of laying my hands upon the sick
and they being healed, and I have the testimony of casting the devils out of
a young woman afflicted therewith and seeing with my own eyes them as they
left her in a fury, and departed, and the testimony of revelations and the
Spirit of Prophecy and the Spirit of Administration and Knowledge and Power.
And now what is it that you have against me? Nothing, save it be your word
only and your evil hearts of unbelief and darkness and confusion of mind and
the collective testimony of others like unto yourselves upon whom each of
you lean for support in your wickedness before the Lord. Are you not ripe
for destruction at the hands of the mighty ones who shall be unleashed by
the hand of Jehovah in that day, saith the Lord God, of Israel? Yea what
meanest thou, O man? Am I, the Lord God not able to discern between my
righteous servant and thy wickedness, O man, that ye perish because of
unbelief, and he be saved up into my presence? For I, a man, say unto you in
the name of the Most High who hath spoken unto me that you all shall be
destroyed by devouring fire, if it is that you repent not of your unbelief
and wickedness in these things and come down in the depths of humility and
be baptized for a remission of sins, and then go to with thy might to build
Zion. For you are possessed of a lying spirit and you have put off the
Spirit of God, that the evil one has power over you to carry you about this
way and that according as he will, with your false religions and other
traditions that are false and your evolution which you think frees you to
lift your head in wickedness and deny the God that made you, and your false
prophets whom ye sustain in your churches, and your lying newsmen who write
lies to get gain, I say unto you in the heat and passion of my soul, that
you have caused a great curse to come upon the land, and have caused my God
to speak unto me that I should come out unto you and prophesy of a great
evil which shall befall the inhabitants of this land, except they repent. I
say unto you in the name of Messiah, that if you will put off your sins and
humble yourselves before me who hath been sent unto you with a message from
your Creator, that you shall each of you receive the Holy Ghost and each of
you shall behold for yourselves that the way of which I speak, which is
straight and narrow, which leads unto the Eternal Lives is true. If any man
know of my doctrine, whether it be of me or of the Father, let him live it.
And not only these things, but the motion of the earth and the planets which
move in their regular orbits and seasons, all denote that there is a God.
Ash
2007-06-10 07:45:18 UTC
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Art Bulla wrote:
>
> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>
> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
> the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right, is
> not true?

snip
Your ignorance and dishonesty
Art Bulla
2007-06-11 07:28:17 UTC
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Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.




Matt 12:32
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Luke 12:10
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be
forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall
not be forgiven.




"Ash" <***@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:i_Nai.2588$***@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>
>> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
>> the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right,
>> is not true?
>
> snip
> Your ignorance and dishonesty
Al Klein
2007-06-11 20:23:47 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:28:17 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
>get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.

That's right - you never evolved past your microbial ancestors.
Aaron Kim
2007-06-15 03:17:52 UTC
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"Al Klein" <***@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:28:17 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
>>get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.
>
> That's right - you never evolved past your microbial ancestors.

You are of the devil. People who believe amoebas are their ancestors are the
real fools. Pay homage to your ancestors, the amoebas!
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-11 20:54:19 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:28:17 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,

The only liar here is yourself. Who lies about "Darwinists".

>get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.

A liar as well as an idiot.

[irrelevant bible bullshit deleted]
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-11 22:39:03 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:28:17 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
> get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.

Yeah? And so you're bothering us in alt.atheism why?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
The Chief Instigator
2007-06-11 23:31:37 UTC
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"Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> writes:

>Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
>get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.

We're eyewitnesses to your incompetence at trolling, "Art".

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Benham, Kentucky
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
p***@hotmail.com
2007-06-12 22:37:55 UTC
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On Jun 11, 3:28 am, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
> get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.

Meltdown! I'm sorry I missed it. OK, who had "two weeks" in the Raving
Fundie Spammer pool? <g>

-PF, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Cary Kittrell
2007-06-12 23:00:31 UTC
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In article <***@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> ***@hotmail.com writes:
> On Jun 11, 3:28 am, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> > Denial from a lying antiChrist Darwinist fool. Darwinism is false, idiot,
> > get over it. I am an eyewitness and earwitness that it is false, devil.
>
> Meltdown! I'm sorry I missed it. OK, who had "two weeks" in the Raving
> Fundie Spammer pool? <g>

We ALL did.

Now, what's 19 cents, split 83 ways?


--- cary
P***@gmail.com
2007-06-10 09:00:07 UTC
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On Jun 10, 4:59 pm, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>
> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>
> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
> the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right, is
> not true?
> [snip]
Failed prophecies in the bible: http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies
An unsolvable contradiction: How did Judas die?
http://www.goatstar.org/adventures-in-dying-%e2%80%93-the-judas-iscariot-story/

So, is the bible inerrant and divinely inspired or not? Explain.
Art Bulla
2007-06-11 07:40:51 UTC
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Thank you for the honest inquiry. I will answer. The Bible is true as far
as it is translated correctly. Here is what the Book of Mormon, which is the
most perfect book, with no error, direct from God, says concerning it, but
the Bible is inspired and preserved of God, and it is a miracle that it has
been preserved by the Jews:

20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they (Gentiles in
America) did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried
forth among them.
21 And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?
22 And I said unto him: I know not.
23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I,
Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a
record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath
made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies
of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are
upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they
contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of
Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.
24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book
proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from
the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of
whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the
truth which is in the Lamb of God.
25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the
Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.
26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb,
from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and
abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for
behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which
are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they
taken away.
27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of
the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the
children of men.
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the
hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and
precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of
God.
29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth
unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the
nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast
seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou
seest--because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken
out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of
men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God--because of
these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an
exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power
over them.
30 Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out
of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other
nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands,
which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his
seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest
that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the
mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren.
31 Neither will he suffer that the Gentiles shall destroy the seed of thy
brethren.

(1 Ne 13:20-31)

For a record of the people of this land, archaeological artifacts discovered
at the turn of the century in Michigan, please see the following on my
website:

http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Michigandsl.wmv and
http://www.artbulla.com/zion/WayneMayDSL.wmv

For the apostasy of Christianity, please see the flash presentation:
http://www.artbulla.com/zion/apostasy1.html

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 10, 4:59 pm, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
>> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
>> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time
>> to
>> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>
>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>
>> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
>> the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right,
>> is
>> not true?
>> [snip]
> Failed prophecies in the bible: http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies
> An unsolvable contradiction: How did Judas die?
> http://www.goatstar.org/adventures-in-dying-%e2%80%93-the-judas-iscariot-story/
>
> So, is the bible inerrant and divinely inspired or not? Explain.
>
Al Klein
2007-06-11 20:24:48 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:40:51 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Thank you for the honest inquiry. I will answer. The Bible is true as far
>as it is translated correctly.

So how do you explain the errors-in-fact of the untranslated original?
Ash
2007-06-11 21:18:24 UTC
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Art Bulla wrote:
> Thank you for the honest inquiry. I will answer. The Bible is true as far
> as it is translated correctly.

Which manuscript?
MarkA
2007-06-10 16:06:17 UTC
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>
> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>

<snip mindless drivel>

Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your electro-shock
therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.

--
MarkA
(pretend this is a clever sig line)
John Manning
2007-06-10 16:32:02 UTC
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MarkA wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>
>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
>> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
>> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
>> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>
>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>
>
> <snip mindless drivel>
>
> Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your electro-shock
> therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.


Art Bulla has admitted that he escaped from a court ordered involuntary
commitment.
Al Klein
2007-06-11 02:10:54 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:32:02 -0300, John Manning
<***@terra.com.br> wrote:

>MarkA wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
>>> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
>>> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
>>> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>>
>>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>>
>>
>> <snip mindless drivel>
>>
>> Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your electro-shock
>> therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.

>Art Bulla has admitted that he escaped from a court ordered involuntary
>commitment.

He forgot to mention that he escaped from sanity?
Art Bulla
2007-06-11 08:33:01 UTC
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Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health by Jerry Bergman,
Ph.D

A Study of His Mental Health

Introduction

Darwin's many lifelong and serious illnesses have been the subject of much
speculation and study for over a century. Darwin stated that his health
problems began as early as 1825 when he was only sixteen years old, and
became incapacitating around age 28 (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 138). Horan
(1979, p. ix) concluded that Darwin was "ill and reclusively confined to his
home in Kent for forty years." Darwinian scholar Michael Ruse even concluded
that "Darwin himself was an invalid from the age of 30" (2003, p. 1523). And
medical doctor George Pickering, in an extensive study of Darwin's illness,
concluded that in his early thirties, Darwin became an "invalid recluse"
(1974, p. 34). UCLA School of Medicine Professor Dr. Robert Pasnau (1990, p.
123) noted that Darwin also "remained ill almost continually" for the entire
five years that he was on his HMS Beagle trip.

Dozens of scholarly articles and at least three books have been penned on
the question of Darwin's illness. The current conclusion is that Darwin
suffered from several serious and incapacitating psychiatric disorders,
including agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is characterized by fear of panic attacks
(or actual panic attacks) when not in a psychologically safe environment,
such as at home. Darwin, as is common among agoraphobiacs, also developed
many additional phobias-being in crowds, being alone, or leaving home unless
accompanied by his wife (Kaplan and Sadock, 1990, pp. 958-959).

Agoraphobia is also frequently associated with depersonalization (a feeling
of being detached from, and outside of, one's own body), a malady that
Darwin also suffered (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 138). A study of Darwin's
mental condition by Barloon and Noyes concluded that Darwin suffered from
anxiety disorders that so severely impaired his functioning that it limited
his ability to leave his home, even just to meet with colleagues or other
friends. This diagnosis likely explains his very secluded, hermit-like
lifestyle (1997, p. 138). It also helps to explain the title of Desmond and
Moore's 1991 biography of Darwin: Darwin: The Life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. Other Psychiatric and Medical Problems

Colp (1977, p. 97) concluded that "much of Darwin's daily life was lived on
a rack which consisted of fluctuating degrees of pain" that was sometimes so
severe that Darwin called it "distressingly great." Darwin's many
psychological or psychologically influenced physical health symptoms
included severe depression, insomnia, hysterical crying, dying sensations,
shaking, fainting spells, muscle twitches, shortness of breath, trembling,
nausea, vomiting, severe anxiety, depersonalization, seeing spots, treading
on air and vision, and other visual hallucinations (Barloon and Noyes, 1997,
p. 139; Picover, 1998, p. 290; Colp, 1977, p. 97; Bean, 1978, p. 573). The
physical symptoms included headaches, cardiac palpitations, ringing in ears
(possibly tinnitus), painful flatulence, and gastric upsets-all of which
commonly have a psychological origin (Pasnau, 1990). Colp noted that "behind
these symptoms there was always a core of anxiety and depression" (1977, p.
97). Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental problems were due to his
nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his "life to a fantasy"-and a
"dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 477). This fear was
that his theory was false and there was, in fact, a divine Creator.

Darwin's behavior also indicates that he suffered from a mental disorder.
Although devoted to his wife and daughters, he "treated them as children"
even after his daughters were fully grown (Picover, 1998, p. 289). Some of
Darwin's statements to others also cast doubt on his mental stability. For
example, in 1875 he wrote the following words to fellow scientist Robert
Hooker:

You ask about my book, & all that I can say is that I am ready to commit
suicide: I thought it was decently written, but find so much wants
rewriting. . . . I begin to think that every one who publishes a book is a
fool (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 228).

Colp noted that Darwin's son Leonard claimed that his father's illness even
interfered with his feelings for his children. For example, Leonard once
noted that

As a young lad I went up to my father when strolling about the lawn, and he
. . . turned away as if quite incapable of carrying on any conversation.
Then there suddenly shot through my mind the conviction that he wished he
was no longer alive (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 100).

Darwin's mental problems were considered so severe that Picover (1998, p.
289) included Darwin in his collection of historical persons that he calls
"strange brains . . . eccentric scientists, and madmen." That Darwin
suffered from several severely disabling maladies is not debated; the only
debate is what caused them (Pasnau, 1990, p. 121). Other Possible Causes of
Darwin's Condition

Others, including Darwin's own wife, argued that his mental problem stemmed
from guilt over his life's goal to refute the argument for God from design
(Bean, 1978, p. 574; p. 28; Pasnau, 1990, p. 126). Most of the
psychoanalytic studies have argued that his problems were a result of his
repressed anger toward his tyrannical father and "the slaying of his
heavenly father" by his theory (Pasnau, 1990, p. 122).

Diagnosis of the cause of Darwin's mental and physical disorders include
parasitic disease (Chaga's disease-caused by an insect common in South
America), arsenic poisoning, and possibly even an inner ear disorder
(Picover, 1998, p. 290; Pasnau, 1990). All of these causes have largely been
refuted. Many persons conclude he had a classic, essential mental
disturbance bordering on psychosis (a severe, incapacitating mental
disorder). Regardless of the diagnosis, Darwin's condition was clearly
incapacitating, often for months at a time, and rendered him an invalid for
much of his life, especially in the prime of his life.

Arnold Sorsby concluded that Darwin was also an obsessive-compulsive and
gives the following evidence:

If Chagas's disease did not cause Darwin's symptoms what did? My personal
diagnosis would be an anxiety state with obsessive features and
psychosomatic manifestations. Anxiety clearly precipitated much of his
physical trouble, and regarding the obsessive component there are several
important points. . . .

Darwin exhibited the obsessional's trait of having everything "just so"; he
kept meticulous records of his health and symptoms like many obsessional
hypochondriacs. Everything had to be in its place; he even had a special
drawer for the sponge which he used in bathing . . . Then there is the
health diary he kept. Days and nights were given a score according to how
good they were; the score was added up at the end of each week, and there is
evidence of frequent changing of mind in deciding whether a night was very
good or just good (1974, p. 228). Darwin's Own Words about His Condition

In addition to the diary on his health problems and complaints (Colp, 1977,
p. 136), he frequently discussed his health problems in his letters and his
autobiography. Darwin's own description of his condition included the
following: "I am forced to live, . . . very quietly and am able to see
scarcely anybody and cannot even talk long with my nearest relations"
(quoted in Bowlby, 1990, p. 240). Darwin once complained that speaking for
only "a few minutes" to the Linnean Society "brought on 24 hours vomiting"
(Darwin, 1994, pp. 98-99). At another time, Darwin had a "house full of
guests" and after he visited the parish church for a christening, he was
"back to square one" and his good health "had vanished `like a flash of
lightning'" and sickness (including the vomiting) returned (Desmond and
Moore, 1991, p. 456). The suddenness of his illness, as illustrated by these
incidents, indicates that his incapacitating episodes were psychological in
origin.

Another side of Darwin revealed his sadistic impulses. His own words taken
from his autobiography give a vivid example:

In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of shooting,
and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal for the most
holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I remember killing my
first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I had much difficulty in
reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands. This taste long continued
and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44).

The fact that he loved killing so much that killing his first bird caused
him to tremble with excitement could certainly indicate a sadistic streak in
Darwin. His passion for killing birds is well known. One wonders if this
"passion" for killing may have, in part, motivated his ruthless "survival of
the fittest" tooth and claw theory of natural selection. Conclusions

Darwin was clearly a very troubled man and suffered from severe emotional
problems for most of his adult life, especially when he was in the prime of
life. The exact cause of his mental and many physical problems has been much
debated and may never be known for certain. Since Darwin wrote extensively
about his mental and physical problems, we have much material on which to
base a reasonable conclusion about this area of his life. The diagnosis of
the cause of his mental and physical problems includes a variety of
debilitating conditions, but agoraphobia with the addition of psychoneurosis
is most probably correct.

Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from this topic, partly because
Darwin is now idolized by many scientists and others. Often listed as one of
the greatest scientists of the nineteenth century, if not the greatest
scientist that ever lived, Darwin is one of the few scientists known to most
Americans. To understand Darwin as a person and his motivations, one must
consider his mental condition and how it affected his work and conclusions.
References

Barloon, Thomas and Russell Noyes, Jr. 1997. "Charles Darwin and Panic
Disorder." JAMA 277(2):138-141.

Barlow, Nora, ed. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882. NY:
Norton.

Bean, W. B. 1978. "The Illness of Charles Darwin." The American Journal of
Medicine 65(4):572-574.

Bowlby, John. 1990. Charles Darwin: A New Life. NY: Norton.

Colp, Ralph Jr. 1977. To Be an Invalid: The Illness of Charles Darwin.
Chicago, IL: University of Chicago.

Darwin, Charles. 1994. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Cambridge,
England: Cambridge University. Vol. 9.

Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The Life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY: Warner Books.

Grigg, Russell. 1995. "Darwin's Mystery Illness." Creation Ex Nihilo
17(4):28-30.

Horan, Patricia G. 1979. Foreword to The Origin of Species. NY: Gramercy
Books.

Kaplan, Harold I. and Benjamin J. Sadock, ed. 1990. Comprehensive Textbook
of Psychiatry/V. Volume 1 Fifth Edition. NY: Williams and Wilkins.

Pasnau, R. O. 1990. "Darwin's Illness: A Biopsychosocial Perspective."
Psychosomatics 31(2):121-128.

Pickering, George. 1974. Creative Malady. NY: Oxford University Press.

Picover, Clifford A. 1998. Strange Brains and Genius: The Secret Lives of
Eccentric Scientists and Madmen. NY: Quill William Morrow.

Ruse, Michael. 2003. "Is Evolution a Secular Religion?" Science
299:1523-1524.

Sorsby, Arnold, ed. 1974. Tenements of Clay. NY: Charles Scribner's Sons.

*Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in Ohio.
"Al Klein" <***@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:32:02 -0300, John Manning
> <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>MarkA wrote:
>>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>
>>>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>>>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these
>>>> things;
>>>> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also,
>>>> I
>>>> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from
>>>> time to
>>>> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>>>
>>>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>>>
>>>
>>> <snip mindless drivel>
>>>
>>> Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your
>>> electro-shock
>>> therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.
>
>>Art Bulla has admitted that he escaped from a court ordered involuntary
>>commitment.
>
> He forgot to mention that he escaped from sanity?
Al Klein
2007-06-11 12:44:43 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?

No. Are you. Most likely.
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-11 15:57:53 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
>
>No. Are you. Most likely.

Darwin? Psychotic? He was remarkably sane - apart from the early days
of the voyage of the Beagle when he was an up-tight moralizing git, a
young man of genteel up-bringing exposed to the rough ship's crew.
Michael Gray
2007-06-12 02:01:58 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <***@4ax.com>
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
>
>No. Are you. Most likely.

Most definitely.

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Peitsche
2007-06-12 02:24:32 UTC
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He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)

"Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <***@4ax.com>
>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
>>
>>No. Are you. Most likely.
>
> Most definitely.
>
> --
Deathbringer
2007-06-12 02:50:20 UTC
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Peitsche;1504145 Wrote:
> He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)
>
> "Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > - Refer: <***@4ax.com>
> >>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
> >>
> >>No. Are you. Most likely.
> >
> > Most definitely.
> >
> > --

Ad hominem, ad hominem. Oh and back in the real world, Charles Darwi
died on April 19 1882 of coronary thrombosis at the age of 77. He mus
have been pretty badass to will his own arteries to clog all of
sudden..

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Harry F. Leopold
2007-06-12 05:46:51 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:24:32 -0500, Peitsche wrote
(in article <***@comcast.com>):

> He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)

Charles Darwin committed suicide? Now where did you get that bit of crap?

From the About Darwin website, the timeline section:

1881 December 15
While Darwin and Emma were in London for the holidays, he experienced strong
pains in his chest. The next day a doctor was called for, but Darwin appeared
to be fine by then.

1882 February to April
Darwin experienced random episodes of severe chest pains, seizures and heart
troubles.

1882 April 16-17
He appeared to be getting a little better; and was able to go outside for
short strolls.

1882 April 18
Darwin had an extremely violent attack during the night. Emma feared he was
very near death and a doctor was sent for.

1882 April 19
In the morning the doctor left, concluding that Darwin was in stable
condition. Soon afterwards he had more violent attacks. The children were
sent for and everyone gathered around his bedside. Charles Darwin died at
around 4:00 PM at Down House.

<end>

An uncle committed suicide, a captain of the Beagle committed suicide, but
nowhere can I find anything about Darwin committing suicide. So why the lie?

> "Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <***@4ax.com>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
>>>
>>> No. Are you. Most likely.
>>
>> Most definitely.
>>
>> --
>
>



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Jason
2007-06-12 07:28:56 UTC
Permalink
In article <frqbi.69688$***@newsfe14.lga>, Harry F. Leopold
<***@coxyx.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:24:32 -0500, Peitsche wrote
> (in article <***@comcast.com>):
>
> > He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)
>
> Charles Darwin committed suicide? Now where did you get that bit of crap?
>
> From the About Darwin website, the timeline section:
>
> 1881 December 15
> While Darwin and Emma were in London for the holidays, he experienced strong
> pains in his chest. The next day a doctor was called for, but Darwin appeared
> to be fine by then.
>
> 1882 February to April
> Darwin experienced random episodes of severe chest pains, seizures and heart
> troubles.
>
> 1882 April 16-17
> He appeared to be getting a little better; and was able to go outside for
> short strolls.
>
> 1882 April 18
> Darwin had an extremely violent attack during the night. Emma feared he was
> very near death and a doctor was sent for.
>
> 1882 April 19
> In the morning the doctor left, concluding that Darwin was in stable
> condition. Soon afterwards he had more violent attacks. The children were
> sent for and everyone gathered around his bedside. Charles Darwin died at
> around 4:00 PM at Down House.
>
> <end>
>
> An uncle committed suicide, a captain of the Beagle committed suicide, but
> nowhere can I find anything about Darwin committing suicide. So why the lie?
>
> > "Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > news:***@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klein <***@pern.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> - Refer: <***@4ax.com>
> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
> >>>
> >>> No. Are you. Most likely.
> >>
> >> Most definitely.

Did Darwin have a deathbed religious experience?

Please explain the last paragraph of his famous book. I read the paragraph
three times and could not figure out his point. He appeared to be trying
to say that God breathed life into one or two people. That is similar to
information from the Bible.

At one time in his life, did Darwin plan to become a minister?

Thanks,
Jason
Kelsey Bjarnason
2007-06-12 15:07:08 UTC
Permalink
[snips]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:28:56 -0700, Jason wrote:

> Please explain the last paragraph of his famous book. I read the paragraph
> three times and could not figure out his point. He appeared to be trying
> to say that God breathed life into one or two people. That is similar to
> information from the Bible.


<Darwin>
There is grandeur in this view of
life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the
Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone
circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a
beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and
are being evolved.
</Darwin>

Hmm. "Into a few forms or into one" - not two people, one or several
forms. Forms of life, which he himself is attributing to divine action -
God creates, evolution adapts.

Pretty simple stuff, and it fits with modern thinking, too, that there was
a single or few basic organisms in the beginning, followed by ever greater
diversity through evolution. Where did those first ones come from? He's
suggesting God - and nothing in all of evolution or evolution theory has
anything to say to the contrary.

One wonders if this stuff will ever sink in with you.

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Deathbringer
2007-06-12 14:58:58 UTC
Permalink
Jason;1504334 Wrote:
> In article <frqbi.69688$***@newsfe14.lga>, Harry F. Leopold
> <***@coxyx.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:24:32 -0500, Peitsche wrote
> > (in article <***@comcast.com>):
> >
> > > He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)
> >
> > Charles Darwin committed suicide? Now where did you get that bit o
> crap?
> >
> > From the About Darwin website, the timeline section:
> >
> > 1881 December 15
> > While Darwin and Emma were in London for the holidays, he experience
> strong
> > pains in his chest. The next day a doctor was called for, but Darwi
> appeared
> > to be fine by then.
> >
> > 1882 February to April
> > Darwin experienced random episodes of severe chest pains, seizure
> and heart
> > troubles.
> >
> > 1882 April 16-17
> > He appeared to be getting a little better; and was able to go outsid
> for
> > short strolls.
> >
> > 1882 April 18
> > Darwin had an extremely violent attack during the night. Emma feare
> he was
> > very near death and a doctor was sent for.
> >
> > 1882 April 19
> > In the morning the doctor left, concluding that Darwin was in stabl
>
> > condition. Soon afterwards he had more violent attacks. The childre
> were
> > sent for and everyone gathered around his bedside. Charles Darwi
> died at
> > around 4:00 PM at Down House.
> >
> > <end>
> >
> > An uncle committed suicide, a captain of the Beagle committe
> suicide, but
> > nowhere can I find anything about Darwin committing suicide. So wh
> the lie?
> >
> > > "Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > > news:***@4ax.com...
> > >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -0400, Al Klei
> <***@pern.invalid>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> - Refer: <***@4ax.com>
> > >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla
> <***@artbulla.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?
> > >>>
> > >>> No. Are you. Most likely.
> > >>
> > >> Most definitely.
>
> Did Darwin have a deathbed religious experience?
>
> Please explain the last paragraph of his famous book. I read th
> paragraph
> three times and could not figure out his point. He appeared to b
> trying
> to say that God breathed life into one or two people. That is simila
> to
> information from the Bible.
>
> At one time in his life, did Darwin plan to become a minister?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason

He played with the idea of abiogenesis earlier in his works, but he wa
born religious so he stuck with the (reasonably intelligent but no mor
proven than the opposite) concept that the first cell might have bee
the product of divine creation even if everything after was clearly th
result of evolution. He may also have just been trying to be diplomatic

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Michael Gray
2007-06-12 08:24:25 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:46:51 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<***@coxyx.net> wrote:

:

>An uncle committed suicide, a captain of the Beagle committed suicide, but
>nowhere can I find anything about Darwin committing suicide. So why the lie?

It's probably another Jabriol nym...

Or maybe Art Bullashit in a new party dress!

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Al Klein
2007-06-13 01:28:58 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:46:51 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<***@coxyx.net> wrote:

>An uncle committed suicide, a captain of the Beagle committed suicide, but
>nowhere can I find anything about Darwin committing suicide. So why the lie?

It "backs up" the other lie. It's all they've got - made-up
"evidence".
Michael Gray
2007-06-12 08:22:58 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:24:32 -0400, "Peitsche" <***@none.com> wrote:
- Refer: <***@comcast.com>
>He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)

What the fuck, Mr. Ignorant Top Poster?
Darwin no more committed suicide than you have more than 2 brain
cells.

Go back to play with your AiG bullshit, and leave the adults in
pe4ace, OK sonny?

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Aaron Kim
2007-06-15 03:50:23 UTC
Permalink
"Michael Gray" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:24:32 -0400, "Peitsche" <***@none.com> wrote:
> - Refer: <***@comcast.com>
>>He commited suicide,that`s sounds looney to me:)
>
> What the fuck, Mr. Ignorant Top Poster?
> Darwin no more committed suicide than you have more than 2 brain
> cells.
>
> Go back to play with your AiG bullshit, and leave the adults in
> pe4ace, OK sonny?

Yes, our posts have disturbed your peace and others on this newsgroup due to
the fact we have shown evolution to be false.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, Pg.235 - Pg.236, Brigham Young, July 24,
1853
Whenever the Gospel is preached in towns, cities, country places, or
in any community who are in darkness, it never fails to bring light; it
manifests their ignorance; it distracts them, and annoys their peace.
They say, "I supposed I was wise, happy, comfortable, and well enough
off; but here comes something that informs me I am mistaken, that this
and the other thing are wrong. It reflects light upon my
understanding, and teaches me that my acts, while I live upon the
earth, should tend to the glory of God and the peace of mankind. This
naturally seems contrary to my feelings, disposition, passions, and
traditions, and to every thing about me, except the reflection of truth
upon my mind, which enlightens my understanding, and teaches me to
glorify God, and do good to my fellow creatures."

Those who embrace the Gospel are called crazy and those who embrace
evolution normal. That's the backward world we live in.
Matt Silberstein
2007-06-11 15:37:30 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Art Bulla"
<***@artbulla.com> in <***@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health by Jerry Bergman,
>Ph.D
>
>A Study of His Mental Health

Darwin's mental state is irrelevant to the value of his work. And
evolutionary biology has grown considerably in the last 150 years.
OTOH your mental state is relevant to your claims since you ask us to
accept voices you have heard that no one else has heard. Since you
depend on that private knowledge your internal state does matter. For
evolution we can go and look at the world.

[snip]



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John Manning
2007-06-11 15:42:26 UTC
Permalink
Matt Silberstein wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Art Bulla"
> <***@artbulla.com> in <***@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health by Jerry Bergman,
>> Ph.D
>>
>> A Study of His Mental Health
>
> Darwin's mental state is irrelevant to the value of his work.


Ask Bulla about the value of his own work. What fruits has he produced
other than hostility and hatred?


And
> evolutionary biology has grown considerably in the last 150 years.
> OTOH your mental state is relevant to your claims since you ask us to
> accept voices you have heard that no one else has heard. Since you
> depend on that private knowledge your internal state does matter. For
> evolution we can go and look at the world.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
Art Bulla
2007-06-12 18:07:17 UTC
Permalink
Darwinism or scientific atheism, produced Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, murder
of 40,000,000 of the most helpless in our society, rampant homosexuality,
feminism, that abomination Bill Clinton, moonbats in the Senate, has
provided the foundation for your destruction, saith the Lord. What value is
destruction? ("By their fruits ye shall know them.")



"Matt Silberstein" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:***@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Art Bulla"
> <***@artbulla.com> in <***@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health by Jerry
>>Bergman,
>>Ph.D
>>
>>A Study of His Mental Health
>
> Darwin's mental state is irrelevant to the value of his work. And
> evolutionary biology has grown considerably in the last 150 years.
> OTOH your mental state is relevant to your claims since you ask us to
> accept voices you have heard that no one else has heard. Since you
> depend on that private knowledge your internal state does matter. For
> evolution we can go and look at the world.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Silberstein
>
> Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
>
> http://www.beawitness.org
> http://www.darfurgenocide.org
> http://www.savedarfur.org
>
> "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Michael Gray
2007-06-12 02:17:53 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <***@mid.individual.net>
>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic?

You would know a lot about psychosis, via first hand experience.
Set up Bullshit-town yet?
Got stocks of kool-aid?

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RetroProphet
2007-06-12 07:33:57 UTC
Permalink
What is this fetish you have with discrediting
Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?

It would not surprise me if you have never read
"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
its several powers, having been originally breathed
by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
and are being, evolved."
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-12 11:09:03 UTC
Permalink
On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
<***@newsguy.com> wrote:

>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>
>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>
>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>and are being, evolved."

Although he died an agnostic.
Michelle Malkin
2007-06-12 17:31:52 UTC
Permalink
"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>>
>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>>
>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>>and are being, evolved."
>
> Although he died an agnostic.
>
And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
"The Origin of Species".
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-12 21:17:05 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<***@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
>> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>>>
>>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>>>
>>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>>>and are being, evolved."
>>
>> Although he died an agnostic.
>
>And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
>"The Origin of Species".

I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.

He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
which were geology, flora and fauna.

His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.

As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.
Michelle Malkin
2007-06-12 22:04:28 UTC
Permalink
"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
> <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:***@4ax.com...
>>> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
>>> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>>>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>>>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>>>>
>>>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>>>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>>>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>>>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>>>>
>>>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>>>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>>>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>>>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>>>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>>>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>>>>and are being, evolved."
>>>
>>> Although he died an agnostic.
>>
>>And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
>>"The Origin of Species".
>
> I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.

I don't know if he was truly what we would call
a Sunday Christian. His family was disappointed
when he decided not to be a minister. I'll bet he
really started losing his faith from reading any
religious studies. And, I'll also bet that a lot of
his familiy's disappointment had to do with a
loss of Victorian status that went with having a
minister in the family.

>
> He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
> job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
> which were geology, flora and fauna.

He was probably already starting to lose his faith
at this point. Everything that followed just moved
this along that much faster.
>
> His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
> which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.

Against his family's will, if I remember right. But,
they had to go along because of his uncle.
>
> As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
> time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
> even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.

He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
those days. They were throwing them in prison in
England. He took a real chance even mentioning
being an agnostic in his book even years later.
Jason
2007-06-12 23:47:53 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@comcast.com>, "Michelle
Malkin" <***@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
> > <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >>news:***@4ax.com...
> >>> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
> >>> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
> >>>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
> >>>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
> >>>>
> >>>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
> >>>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
> >>>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
> >>>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
> >>>>
> >>>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
> >>>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
> >>>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
> >>>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
> >>>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
> >>>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
> >>>>and are being, evolved."
> >>>
> >>> Although he died an agnostic.
> >>
> >>And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
> >>"The Origin of Species".
> >
> > I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.
>
> I don't know if he was truly what we would call
> a Sunday Christian. His family was disappointed
> when he decided not to be a minister. I'll bet he
> really started losing his faith from reading any
> religious studies. And, I'll also bet that a lot of
> his familiy's disappointment had to do with a
> loss of Victorian status that went with having a
> minister in the family.
>
> >
> > He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
> > job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
> > which were geology, flora and fauna.
>
> He was probably already starting to lose his faith
> at this point. Everything that followed just moved
> this along that much faster.
> >
> > His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
> > which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.
>
> Against his family's will, if I remember right. But,
> they had to go along because of his uncle.
> >
> > As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
> > time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
> > even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.
>
> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
> being an agnostic in his book even years later.

Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.

After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?
RetroProphet
2007-06-13 04:51:18 UTC
Permalink
>> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
>> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
>> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
>> being an agnostic in his book even years later.
>
>Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
>seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.
>
>After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
>opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?
>
>


No, he was not professing a belief in the
literal truth of the Genesis story, when
he used the term "Creator" in "Origin
of The Species" and later clarified what
he meant:

"I have long regretted that I truckled to public
opinion & used the Pentateuchal term of creation,
by which I really meant "appeared" by some wholly
unknown process. It is mere rubbish thinking,
at present, of origin of life; one might as well
think of origin of matter."

Charles Darwin / letter to J.D. Hooker
March 23, 1863

The age in which Darwin lived was theologically
tumultuous and he was surely not alone in
grappling with the literal truth of scripture
in light of the science of his age.

Many resolved the issue by taking a Deist stance,
and though at first brush Darwin appears to take
this view, this is not really the case.

I think that Darwin thought that taking any
speculative religious stance while discussing
science was inappropriate, and that it was
better to admit scientific ignorance of the
ultimate origin of life, than to mix any
theological opinion into a scientific inquiry.

This is why he regretted "kow-towing" to
widely-held public opinion in using the
term "Creator" to stand for what he could
only honestly consider a "wholly unknown
process."

In essence his personal religious beliefs are
irrelevant to his science, and in this regard
he was no different than James Clerk Maxwell,
who though a devout Christian, also strenuously
rejected mixing theology into his science, and
chastised his scientific fellows who insisted
that he should.
Michelle Malkin
2007-06-13 05:32:13 UTC
Permalink
"RetroProphet" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
>>> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
>>> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
>>> being an agnostic in his book even years later.
>>
>>Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
>>seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.
>>
>>After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
>>opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?

Doesn't matter. It was his first book, and his beliefs
changed more and more over the years after it.
>>
>>
>
>
> No, he was not professing a belief in the
> literal truth of the Genesis story, when
> he used the term "Creator" in "Origin
> of The Species" and later clarified what
> he meant:
>
> "I have long regretted that I truckled to public
> opinion & used the Pentateuchal term of creation,
> by which I really meant "appeared" by some wholly
> unknown process. It is mere rubbish thinking,
> at present, of origin of life; one might as well
> think of origin of matter."
>
> Charles Darwin / letter to J.D. Hooker
> March 23, 1863
>
> The age in which Darwin lived was theologically
> tumultuous and he was surely not alone in
> grappling with the literal truth of scripture
> in light of the science of his age.
>
> Many resolved the issue by taking a Deist stance,
> and though at first brush Darwin appears to take
> this view, this is not really the case.
>
> I think that Darwin thought that taking any
> speculative religious stance while discussing
> science was inappropriate, and that it was
> better to admit scientific ignorance of the
> ultimate origin of life, than to mix any
> theological opinion into a scientific inquiry.
>
> This is why he regretted "kow-towing" to
> widely-held public opinion in using the
> term "Creator" to stand for what he could
> only honestly consider a "wholly unknown
> process."
>
> In essence his personal religious beliefs are
> irrelevant to his science, and in this regard
> he was no different than James Clerk Maxwell,
> who though a devout Christian, also strenuously
> rejected mixing theology into his science, and
> chastised his scientific fellows who insisted
> that he should.
>
Michael Gray
2007-06-13 06:31:23 UTC
Permalink
On 12 Jun 2007 21:51:18 -0700, RetroProphet
<***@newsguy.com> wrote:
- Refer: <***@drn.newsguy.com>
>>> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
>>> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
>>> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
>>> being an agnostic in his book even years later.
>>
>>Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
>>seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.
>>
>>After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
>>opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?
>>
>>
>
>
>No, he was not professing a belief in the
>literal truth of the Genesis story, when
>he used the term "Creator" in "Origin
>of The Species" and later clarified what
>he meant:

You total and complete fuckwits can't even get the title of the book
right!

You lie through your teeth, with every word you type.
You are all dribbgling clueless idiots.

Go an "pleasure" Art Bullashit, OK?
It's all that you are fit for.

:

--
RetroProphet
2007-06-13 06:55:47 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, Michael Gray says...
>
>On 12 Jun 2007 21:51:18 -0700, RetroProphet
><***@newsguy.com> wrote:
> - Refer: <***@drn.newsguy.com>
>>>> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
>>>> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
>>>> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
>>>> being an agnostic in his book even years later.
>>>
>>>Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
>>>seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.
>>>
>>>After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
>>>opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>No, he was not professing a belief in the
>>literal truth of the Genesis story, when
>>he used the term "Creator" in "Origin
>>of The Species" and later clarified what
>>he meant:
>
>You total and complete fuckwits can't even get the title of the book
>right!
>
>You lie through your teeth, with every word you type.
>You are all dribbgling clueless idiots.
>
>Go an "pleasure" Art Bullashit, OK?
>It's all that you are fit for.
>


Well, you got me there, I made a typo.
Got it correct in my post further up the thread.
Oh well...it happens.

By the way, you have no cause to abuse me
for more than a typo -- you've mistaken me
for one of Art's followers.
Michael Gray
2007-06-13 10:24:21 UTC
Permalink
On 12 Jun 2007 23:55:47 -0700, RetroProphet
<***@newsguy.com> wrote:
- Refer: <***@drn.newsguy.com>
>In article <***@4ax.com>, Michael Gray says...
>>
>>On 12 Jun 2007 21:51:18 -0700, RetroProphet
>><***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> - Refer: <***@drn.newsguy.com>
>>>>> He couldn't even have admitted being an atheist, in
>>>>> those days. They were throwing them in prison in
>>>>> England. He took a real chance even mentioning
>>>>> being an agnostic in his book even years later.
>>>>
>>>>Did he mention the term CREATOR in his famous book? I seem to recall
>>>>seeing the word creator in the last chapter but my memory is not perfect.
>>>>
>>>>After reading the paragraph from his book that is posted above, is it your
>>>>opinion that he was discussing God breathing life into Adam and Eve?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No, he was not professing a belief in the
>>>literal truth of the Genesis story, when
>>>he used the term "Creator" in "Origin
>>>of The Species" and later clarified what
>>>he meant:
>>
>>You total and complete fuckwits can't even get the title of the book
>>right!
>>
>>You lie through your teeth, with every word you type.
>>You are all dribbgling clueless idiots.
>>
>>Go an "pleasure" Art Bullashit, OK?
>>It's all that you are fit for.
>>
>
>
>Well, you got me there, I made a typo.
>Got it correct in my post further up the thread.
>Oh well...it happens.
>
>By the way, you have no cause to abuse me
>for more than a typo -- you've mistaken me
>for one of Art's followers.

And that typo was what, exactly?

Exactly the same as the violation against reason that both Art
Bullshit, and his two warring acolytes unthinkingly regurgitate via
robotic repetition of AiG fraud?

Shame be upon ye!

--
johac
2007-06-13 05:33:51 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
Christopher A.Lee <***@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
> <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:***@4ax.com...
> >> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
> >> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
> >>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
> >>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
> >>>
> >>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
> >>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
> >>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
> >>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
> >>>
> >>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
> >>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
> >>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
> >>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
> >>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
> >>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
> >>>and are being, evolved."
> >>
> >> Although he died an agnostic.
> >
> >And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
> >"The Origin of Species".
>
> I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.
>
> He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
> job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
> which were geology, flora and fauna.
>
> His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
> which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.
>
> As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
> time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
> even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.

In Victorian England, many who we would call atheists called themselves
agnostics. It was considered a more 'polite' term.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-13 08:43:11 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:33:51 -0700, johac
<***@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com>,
> Christopher A.Lee <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
>> <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> >news:***@4ax.com...
>> >> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
>> >> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>> >>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>> >>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>> >>>
>> >>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>> >>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>> >>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>> >>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>> >>>
>> >>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>> >>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>> >>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>> >>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>> >>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>> >>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>> >>>and are being, evolved."
>> >>
>> >> Although he died an agnostic.
>> >
>> >And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
>> >"The Origin of Species".
>>
>> I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.
>>
>> He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
>> job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
>> which were geology, flora and fauna.
>>
>> His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
>> which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.
>>
>> As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
>> time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
>> even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.
>
>In Victorian England, many who we would call atheists called themselves
>agnostics. It was considered a more 'polite' term.

Even more called themselves free thinkers, rationalists etc. Like my
grandmother (born in the 1880s) who was raised that way.
johac
2007-06-13 22:47:50 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
Christopher A.Lee <***@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:33:51 -0700, johac
> <***@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <***@4ax.com>,
> > Christopher A.Lee <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:31:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
> >> <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Christopher A.Lee" <***@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:***@4ax.com...
> >> >> On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
> >> >> <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
> >> >>>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
> >> >>>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>It would not surprise me if you have never read
> >> >>>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
> >> >>>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
> >> >>>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
> >> >>>its several powers, having been originally breathed
> >> >>>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
> >> >>>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
> >> >>>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
> >> >>>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
> >> >>>and are being, evolved."
> >> >>
> >> >> Although he died an agnostic.
> >> >
> >> >And mentioned this in a book he wrote years after
> >> >"The Origin of Species".
> >>
> >> I know. He was raised Christian - but a Sunday Christian.
> >>
> >> He only dropped medicine to study for the ministry because he felt the
> >> job of a country parson would give him time to pursue his hobbies
> >> which were geology, flora and fauna.
> >>
> >> His letters show he was more interested in this than his studies,
> >> which he dropped to become ship's naturalist on the Beagle.
> >>
> >> As he discovered more about the real world he lost his belief over
> >> time. But the final straw was the death of his daughter. After which
> >> even though he called himself agnostic he was functionally atheist.
> >
> >In Victorian England, many who we would call atheists called themselves
> >agnostics. It was considered a more 'polite' term.
>
> Even more called themselves free thinkers, rationalists etc. Like my
> grandmother (born in the 1880s) who was raised that way.

True. Skeptic was sometimes used too, although that could have other
connotations.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
John Baker
2007-06-12 14:16:13 UTC
Permalink
On 12 Jun 2007 00:33:57 -0700, RetroProphet
<***@newsguy.com> wrote:

>What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?

They're idiots. They can't understand that Darwin's character is
irrelevant to whether or not his ideas were correct.

>
>It would not surprise me if you have never read
>"The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>
>"There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>its several powers, having been originally breathed
>by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>and are being, evolved."
Art Bulla
2007-06-12 18:13:57 UTC
Permalink
"Descent by modification" or mutation is a doctrine of the devil. We are
children of God, literally, not "goo to you". But so are the devils sons,
(Lucifer was called "son of the morning" because he was one of the first
born sons of the Father of spirits). But you have been deceived with those
who were cast out.

5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, [and] the sceptre of the
rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled
the nations in anger, is persecuted, [and] none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, [and] is quiet: they break forth into
singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, [and] the cedars of Lebanon,
[saying], Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it
stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it
hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we?
art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [and] the noise of thy viols: the
worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how]
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will
exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of
the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee,
[saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake
kingdoms;
17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
[that] opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every
one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as]
the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go
down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast
destroyed thy land, [and] slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall
never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers;
that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world
with cities.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off
from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water:
and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so
shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, [so] shall it stand:

(Isa 14:5-24)

"RetroProphet" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
> What is this fetish you have with discrediting
> Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
> as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>
> It would not surprise me if you have never read
> "The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
> If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
> is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>
> "There is grandeur in this view of life, with
> its several powers, having been originally breathed
> by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
> whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
> the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
> endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
> and are being, evolved."
>
RetroProphet
2007-06-12 23:12:08 UTC
Permalink
>> What is this fetish you have with discrediting
>> Charles Darwin and unrelentingly painting him
>> as an atheist, and a maniac to boot?
>>
>> It would not surprise me if you have never read
>> "The Origin of Species" to its final sentence.
>> If anything should be called "Darwinism" this
>> is its nutshell summary -- decidely not atheist:
>>
>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, with
>> its several powers, having been originally breathed
>> by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that,
>> whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to
>> the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>> endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,
>> and are being, evolved."
>>
>
>"Descent by modification" or mutation is a doctrine
>of the devil. We are children of God, literally,
>not "goo to you". But so are the devils sons,
>(Lucifer was called "son of the morning" because
>he was one of the first born sons of the Father
>of spirits). But you have been deceived with
>those who were cast out.


You substitute slogans for thought.

You do not BELIEVE Evolution happens, but ain't that
a lot of nothing -- Evolution is not a theological
doctrine to be believed or not.

You are engaging in mere priestcrafting, not science,
by introducing supernatural elements into your
explanations. All the world is fully explainable
without gods and devils and those who insist that
mythical creatures are actually manipulating
obviously natural phenomenon in some invisible
behinds-the-scenes "war" are always proven foolish
in time.

The precise mechanisms of biological evolution can only
be falsified by overturning it purely on the scientific
merits -- you have no objective evidence, only heresay
evidence, that any of your invisible supernatural
creatures exist and act.

Your "Priests of the Order of Melchizedec" scientists
have been proven impotent to establish the objective
reality of any of their most basic tenets, even though
supposedly cribbing from God, yet you persist in applying
them as if they are principles.

Considering this utter failure, it is just as reasonable
to consider that mutation and biological evolution is
truth "revealed" through Darwin as to imagine
that it is a falsehood "revealed" through you.

===

"The cradle of every science is surrounded
by dead theologians as that of Hercules was
with strangled serpents" -- T. H. Huxley
Cary Kittrell
2007-06-12 18:24:04 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@mid.individual.net> "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> writes:
>
> Darwinism or scientific atheism, produced Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, murder
> of 40,000,000 of the most helpless in our society, rampant homosexuality,
> feminism, that abomination Bill Clinton, moonbats in the Senate, has
> provided the foundation for your destruction, saith the Lord. What value is
> destruction? ("By their fruits ye shall know them.")

Good as far as it goes, but you're still thinking too small. Darwinism,
or scientific atheism, is not only fully and solely responsible for
all of the above, but also for shrink wrap rage, aching backs,
Celine Dion, unpopped kernels, jammed soft drink machines, Adam
Sandler movies, Microsoft Windows, and the fact that the next
lane always moves faster.

You've just scratched the surface.


-- cary


>
>
>
> "Matt Silberstein" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> message news:***@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:33:01 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Art Bulla"
> > <***@artbulla.com> in <***@mid.individual.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Was Charles Darwin Psychotic? A Study of His Mental Health by Jerry
> >>Bergman,
> >>Ph.D
> >>
> >>A Study of His Mental Health
> >
> > Darwin's mental state is irrelevant to the value of his work. And
> > evolutionary biology has grown considerably in the last 150 years.
> > OTOH your mental state is relevant to your claims since you ask us to
> > accept voices you have heard that no one else has heard. Since you
> > depend on that private knowledge your internal state does matter. For
> > evolution we can go and look at the world.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt Silberstein
> >
> > Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
> >
> > http://www.beawitness.org
> > http://www.darfurgenocide.org
> > http://www.savedarfur.org
> >
> > "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
>
>
Art Bulla
2007-06-11 08:21:46 UTC
Permalink
Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis? Because God has not
condescended to speak to them! On this basis Jesus and all the Apostles are
deluded as well, which, of course, is what the atheists believe all along,
and Freud was a Darwinist. But after I explained to the good doctor about
my visions and revelations, he let me go. Jesus would be served the same
today, if he were here and Alexander Solzhenitzin in Cancer Ward, has
abudantly testified of the abuse of these men in white coats who reduce
human experience down to materialism only. There is a spirit in man and the
Spirit of God gives him understanding:

8 But [there is] a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty
giveth them understanding.

(Job 32:8)

These antiChrists (atheists) deny the Holy Ghost, which is unpardonable,
saith the Lord.

14 Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed
down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers.
15 How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which
ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.
16 Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But
behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your
minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away
into a belief of things which are not so.
17 And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there
could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this
life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man
prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to
his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

(Alma 30:14-17)

"John Manning" <***@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> MarkA wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these
>>> things; for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me.
>>> And also, I had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very
>>> word, from time to time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>>
>>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>>
>>
>> <snip mindless drivel>
>>
>> Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your
>> electro-shock
>> therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.
>
>
> Art Bulla has admitted that he escaped from a court ordered involuntary
> commitment.
>
Al Klein
2007-06-11 20:32:58 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Manning lies

About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
John Manning
2007-06-11 21:08:23 UTC
Permalink
Al Klein wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Manning lies
>
> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.


Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.

The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original post
http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf ]:


Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]

They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
not seen in two weeks. [...]

Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
Greensboro for gas money.

The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
that he was not as happy as when he had no money.

He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.

And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
Greensboro when we had completed this.

My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
even to my five children.

Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"

My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.

Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,

I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
"They have the sheriff after you".

I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.

The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
around her head.

Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."

Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
"This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
to him".

As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
turned around with lights and spots ablaze.

Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
frequent railroad tracks a lot,

and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.

I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.

Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
which they then did.

They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
across the street!

When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
hours later.

I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"

So that is the true story of my "desertion".

Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
to build Zion.

Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
children, though I wept many times over their situation.

Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
robbed me of my family.

See the Google Archive of his post here:
http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
Cary Kittrell
2007-06-11 21:32:06 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@giganews.com> John Manning <***@terra.com.br> writes:
> Al Klein wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Manning lies
> >
> > About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> > asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
> > guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>
>
> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>
> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original post
> http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf ]:

Me, I'm trying to imagine that other Messiah (you know, that
Jesus guy) going on about driving "my low slung green Triumph GT6
with wire wheels and an in-line six with two zenith-strombug
carbeurators".

Even if He had one.

-- cary
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-11 21:53:38 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), ***@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:


>Me, I'm trying to imagine that other Messiah (you know, that
>Jesus guy) going on about driving "my low slung green Triumph GT6
>with wire wheels and an in-line six with two zenith-strombug
>carbeurators".

Didn't he come in his Triumph?

Mind you, the GT6 was a beautiful car. Looking a bit like a Spitfire
with a hatchback. It was the sports car based on the Vitesse in the
same way the Spitfire was based on the Herald.

>Even if He had one.
>
>-- cary
John Manning
2007-06-11 21:52:10 UTC
Permalink
Cary Kittrell wrote:
> In article <***@giganews.com> John Manning <***@terra.com.br> writes:
>> Al Klein wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Manning lies
>>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
>>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>>
>> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
>> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>>
>> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
>> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
>> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original post
>> http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf ]:
>
> Me, I'm trying to imagine that other Messiah (you know, that
> Jesus guy) going on about driving "my low slung green Triumph GT6
> with wire wheels and an in-line six with two zenith-strombug
> carbeurators".
>
> Even if He had one.


LOL!


>
> -- cary
>
Neil Kelsey
2007-06-11 22:08:32 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> Al Klein wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Manning lies
>
> > About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> > asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
> > guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>
> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>
> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>
> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>
> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>
> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
> Greensboro for gas money.
>
> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>
> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>
> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>
> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
> even to my five children.
>
> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>
> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>
> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>
> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
> "They have the sheriff after you".
>
> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>
> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
> around her head.
>
> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>
> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
> to him".
>
> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>
> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>
> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>
> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.
>
> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
> which they then did.
>
> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
> across the street!
>
> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
> hours later.
>
> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>
> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>
> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
> to build Zion.
>
> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>
> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
> robbed me of my family.
>
> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf

Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
towel wrapped around her head.

I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
John Manning
2007-06-11 22:15:03 UTC
Permalink
Neil Kelsey wrote:
> On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> Al Klein wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Manning lies
>>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
>>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
>> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>>
>> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
>> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
>> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>>
>> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
>> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
>> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>>
>> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
>> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
>> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>>
>> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
>> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
>> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
>> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
>> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
>> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
>> Greensboro for gas money.
>>
>> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
>> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
>> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
>> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
>> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
>> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>>
>> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
>> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>>
>> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
>> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
>> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
>> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
>> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
>> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
>> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
>> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>>
>> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
>> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
>> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
>> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
>> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
>> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
>> even to my five children.
>>
>> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
>> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
>> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
>> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
>> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
>> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>>
>> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
>> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>>
>> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
>> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
>> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>>
>> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
>> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
>> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
>> "They have the sheriff after you".
>>
>> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
>> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>>
>> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
>> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
>> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
>> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
>> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
>> around her head.
>>
>> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
>> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
>> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>>
>> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
>> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
>> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
>> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
>> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
>> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
>> to him".
>>
>> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
>> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
>> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
>> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>>
>> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
>> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
>> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
>> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
>> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
>> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
>> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
>> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
>> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>>
>> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
>> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
>> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>>
>> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
>> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
>> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
>> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
>> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.
>>
>> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
>> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
>> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
>> which they then did.
>>
>> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
>> across the street!
>>
>> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
>> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
>> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
>> hours later.
>>
>> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
>> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
>> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
>> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>>
>> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>>
>> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
>> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
>> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
>> to build Zion.
>>
>> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
>> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
>> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
>> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>>
>> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
>> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
>> robbed me of my family.
>>
>> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>
> Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
> would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
> towel wrapped around her head.
>
> I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
> inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.


He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.
Neil Kelsey
2007-06-11 22:32:34 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> Al Klein wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Manning lies
> >>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> >>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
> >>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
> >> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> >> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>
> >> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
> >> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> >> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>
> >> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
> >> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
> >> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>
> >> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
> >> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
> >> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>
> >> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
> >> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
> >> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
> >> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
> >> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
> >> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
> >> Greensboro for gas money.
>
> >> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
> >> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
> >> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
> >> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
> >> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
> >> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>
> >> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
> >> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>
> >> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
> >> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
> >> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
> >> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
> >> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
> >> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
> >> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
> >> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>
> >> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
> >> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
> >> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
> >> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
> >> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
> >> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
> >> even to my five children.
>
> >> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
> >> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
> >> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
> >> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
> >> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
> >> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>
> >> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
> >> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>
> >> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
> >> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
> >> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>
> >> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
> >> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
> >> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
> >> "They have the sheriff after you".
>
> >> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
> >> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>
> >> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
> >> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
> >> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
> >> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
> >> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
> >> around her head.
>
> >> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
> >> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
> >> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>
> >> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
> >> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
> >> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
> >> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
> >> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
> >> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
> >> to him".
>
> >> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
> >> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
> >> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
> >> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>
> >> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
> >> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
> >> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
> >> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
> >> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
> >> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
> >> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
> >> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
> >> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>
> >> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
> >> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
> >> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>
> >> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
> >> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
> >> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
> >> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
> >> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.
>
> >> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
> >> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
> >> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
> >> which they then did.
>
> >> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
> >> across the street!
>
> >> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
> >> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
> >> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
> >> hours later.
>
> >> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
> >> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
> >> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
> >> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>
> >> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>
> >> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
> >> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
> >> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
> >> to build Zion.
>
> >> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
> >> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
> >> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
> >> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>
> >> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
> >> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
> >> robbed me of my family.
>
> >> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>
> > Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
> > would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
> > towel wrapped around her head.
>
> > I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
> > inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>
> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
> nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.-

Somehow being a fugitive from social services over domestic issues
doesn't have quite the same cachet for a prophet as say, being nailed
to a cross for the sins of humanity. Oh well.
John Manning
2007-06-11 22:52:53 UTC
Permalink
Neil Kelsey wrote:
> On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> Neil Kelsey wrote:
>>> On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>> Al Klein wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Manning lies
>>>>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>>>>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
>>>>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>>>> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
>>>> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>>>> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
>>>> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
>>>> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>>>> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
>>>> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
>>>> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>>>> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
>>>> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
>>>> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>>>> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
>>>> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
>>>> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
>>>> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
>>>> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
>>>> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
>>>> Greensboro for gas money.
>>>> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
>>>> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
>>>> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
>>>> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
>>>> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
>>>> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>>>> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
>>>> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>>>> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
>>>> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
>>>> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
>>>> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
>>>> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
>>>> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
>>>> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
>>>> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>>>> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
>>>> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
>>>> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
>>>> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
>>>> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
>>>> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
>>>> even to my five children.
>>>> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
>>>> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
>>>> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
>>>> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
>>>> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
>>>> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>>>> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
>>>> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>>>> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
>>>> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
>>>> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>>>> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
>>>> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
>>>> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
>>>> "They have the sheriff after you".
>>>> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
>>>> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>>>> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
>>>> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
>>>> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
>>>> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
>>>> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
>>>> around her head.
>>>> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
>>>> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
>>>> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>>>> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
>>>> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
>>>> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
>>>> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
>>>> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
>>>> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
>>>> to him".
>>>> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
>>>> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
>>>> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
>>>> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>>>> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
>>>> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
>>>> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
>>>> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
>>>> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
>>>> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
>>>> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
>>>> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
>>>> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>>>> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
>>>> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
>>>> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>>>> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
>>>> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
>>>> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
>>>> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
>>>> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.
>>>> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
>>>> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
>>>> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
>>>> which they then did.
>>>> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
>>>> across the street!
>>>> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
>>>> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
>>>> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
>>>> hours later.
>>>> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
>>>> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
>>>> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
>>>> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>>>> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>>>> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
>>>> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
>>>> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
>>>> to build Zion.
>>>> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
>>>> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
>>>> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
>>>> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>>>> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
>>>> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
>>>> robbed me of my family.
>>>> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>>> Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
>>> would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
>>> towel wrapped around her head.
>>> I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
>>> inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
>> nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.-
>
> Somehow being a fugitive from social services over domestic issues
> doesn't have quite the same cachet for a prophet as say, being nailed
> to a cross for the sins of humanity. Oh well.


LOL!
Aaron Kim
2007-06-12 22:15:47 UTC
Permalink
"Neil Kelsey" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> > On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> >> Al Klein wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Manning lies
>> >>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>> >>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade
>> >>> the
>> >>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>> >> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
>> >> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>>
>> >> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
>> >> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
>> >> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original
>> >> posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>>
>> >> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law,
>> >> Clyde.
>> >> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
>> >> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>>
>> >> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I
>> >> had
>> >> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
>> >> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>>
>> >> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
>> >> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
>> >> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs
>> >> from
>> >> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
>> >> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one
>> >> to
>> >> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
>> >> Greensboro for gas money.
>>
>> >> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was
>> >> my
>> >> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to
>> >> a
>> >> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
>> >> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said,
>> >> "That
>> >> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire
>> >> and
>> >> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>>
>> >> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law
>> >> and
>> >> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>>
>> >> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
>> >> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
>> >> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
>> >> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right
>> >> to
>> >> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
>> >> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry
>> >> in
>> >> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
>> >> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>>
>> >> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
>> >> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
>> >> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
>> >> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took
>> >> issue
>> >> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain
>> >> if
>> >> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
>> >> even to my five children.
>>
>> >> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
>> >> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
>> >> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
>> >> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for
>> >> the
>> >> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
>> >> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>>
>> >> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her
>> >> at
>> >> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>>
>> >> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
>> >> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
>> >> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>>
>> >> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and
>> >> an
>> >> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
>> >> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
>> >> "They have the sheriff after you".
>>
>> >> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak
>> >> to
>> >> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>>
>> >> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger
>> >> I
>> >> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
>> >> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
>> >> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
>> >> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
>> >> around her head.
>>
>> >> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
>> >> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
>> >> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>>
>> >> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
>> >> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have
>> >> thought
>> >> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
>> >> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in
>> >> slavery
>> >> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
>> >> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and
>> >> "talk
>> >> to him".
>>
>> >> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
>> >> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong
>> >> store
>> >> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw
>> >> us,
>> >> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>>
>> >> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
>> >> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around
>> >> her
>> >> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror,
>> >> of
>> >> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
>> >> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
>> >> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
>> >> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
>> >> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
>> >> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>>
>> >> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
>> >> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
>> >> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>>
>> >> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
>> >> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
>> >> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had
>> >> me
>> >> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
>> >> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the
>> >> air.
>>
>> >> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
>> >> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
>> >> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
>> >> which they then did.
>>
>> >> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
>> >> across the street!
>>
>> >> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my
>> >> heart
>> >> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
>> >> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
>> >> hours later.
>>
>> >> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
>> >> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
>> >> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
>> >> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>>
>> >> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>>
>> >> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
>> >> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
>> >> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
>> >> to build Zion.
>>
>> >> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
>> >> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I
>> >> love
>> >> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
>> >> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>>
>> >> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
>> >> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
>> >> robbed me of my family.
>>
>> >> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>>
>> > Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
>> > would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
>> > towel wrapped around her head.
>>
>> > I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
>> > inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>>
>> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
>> nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.-
>
> Somehow being a fugitive from social services over domestic issues
> doesn't have quite the same cachet for a prophet as say, being nailed
> to a cross for the sins of humanity. Oh well.

Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
the Gospel.
Neil Kelsey
2007-06-12 23:07:22 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 12, 3:15 pm, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> "Neil Kelsey" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:***@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> >> > On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> >> Al Klein wrote:
> >> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Manning lies
> >> >>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> >> >>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
> >> >> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> >> >> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>
> >> >> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
> >> >> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> >> >> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original
> >> >> posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>
> >> >> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law,
> >> >> Clyde.
> >> >> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
> >> >> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>
> >> >> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I
> >> >> had
> >> >> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
> >> >> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>
> >> >> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
> >> >> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
> >> >> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs
> >> >> from
> >> >> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
> >> >> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one
> >> >> to
> >> >> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
> >> >> Greensboro for gas money.
>
> >> >> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was
> >> >> my
> >> >> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to
> >> >> a
> >> >> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
> >> >> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said,
> >> >> "That
> >> >> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire
> >> >> and
> >> >> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>
> >> >> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law
> >> >> and
> >> >> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>
> >> >> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
> >> >> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
> >> >> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
> >> >> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right
> >> >> to
> >> >> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
> >> >> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry
> >> >> in
> >> >> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
> >> >> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>
> >> >> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
> >> >> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
> >> >> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
> >> >> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took
> >> >> issue
> >> >> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain
> >> >> if
> >> >> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
> >> >> even to my five children.
>
> >> >> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
> >> >> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
> >> >> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
> >> >> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for
> >> >> the
> >> >> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
> >> >> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>
> >> >> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her
> >> >> at
> >> >> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>
> >> >> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
> >> >> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
> >> >> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>
> >> >> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and
> >> >> an
> >> >> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
> >> >> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
> >> >> "They have the sheriff after you".
>
> >> >> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak
> >> >> to
> >> >> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>
> >> >> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger
> >> >> I
> >> >> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
> >> >> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
> >> >> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
> >> >> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
> >> >> around her head.
>
> >> >> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
> >> >> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
> >> >> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>
> >> >> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
> >> >> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have
> >> >> thought
> >> >> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
> >> >> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in
> >> >> slavery
> >> >> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
> >> >> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and
> >> >> "talk
> >> >> to him".
>
> >> >> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
> >> >> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong
> >> >> store
> >> >> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw
> >> >> us,
> >> >> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>
> >> >> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
> >> >> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around
> >> >> her
> >> >> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror,
> >> >> of
> >> >> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
> >> >> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
> >> >> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
> >> >> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
> >> >> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
> >> >> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>
> >> >> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
> >> >> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
> >> >> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>
> >> >> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
> >> >> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
> >> >> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had
> >> >> me
> >> >> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
> >> >> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the
> >> >> air.
>
> >> >> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
> >> >> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
> >> >> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
> >> >> which they then did.
>
> >> >> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
> >> >> across the street!
>
> >> >> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my
> >> >> heart
> >> >> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
> >> >> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
> >> >> hours later.
>
> >> >> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
> >> >> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
> >> >> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
> >> >> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>
> >> >> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>
> >> >> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
> >> >> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
> >> >> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
> >> >> to build Zion.
>
> >> >> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
> >> >> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I
> >> >> love
> >> >> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
> >> >> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>
> >> >> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
> >> >> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
> >> >> robbed me of my family.
>
> >> >> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>
> >> > Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
> >> > would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
> >> > towel wrapped around her head.
>
> >> > I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
> >> > inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>
> >> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
> >> nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.-
>
> > Somehow being a fugitive from social services over domestic issues
> > doesn't have quite the same cachet for a prophet as say, being nailed
> > to a cross for the sins of humanity. Oh well.
>
> Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
> the Gospel.

He must have been some crappy preacher then!

Okay, I said this before and you ignored it, I'll say it again and
you'll probably ignore it again. Preaching is not illegal in the US.
In fact, IT'S ENCOURAGED. Why do you think I would believe that Art
was "forced" to live in the mountains for preaching? Why him, and why
not the hundreds of thousands of other people who preach the Gospel,
when no one chases them around? Also, you are not saying WHO forced
him to live in the mountains. Was it the law? Because if it were, then
it would not be for preaching, because PREACHING IS NOT ILLEGAL. The
law would be trying to catch Art for other reasons, like for being a
deadbeat Dad, or for avoiding arrest (we already know he did that). Am
I typing loud enough? And if it wasn't the law, then who was it, and
what were they going to do with him?

At this point I question if the people that chased Art to the
mountains for preaching even existed. If they did, then why didn't Art
just go to the police, because PREACHING IS NOT ILLEGAL?

You have hitched your wagon to a lobotomized chihuahua.
Al Klein
2007-06-13 23:46:51 UTC
Permalink
On 12 Jun 2007 16:07:22 -0700, Neil Kelsey <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>At this point I question if the people that chased Art to the
>mountains for preaching even existed.

I doubt he was even chased to the mountains.

>You have hitched your wagon to a lobotomized chihuahua.

And we all know what follows a Chihuahua.
Al Klein
2007-06-13 23:44:54 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:15:47 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
>the Gospel.

Well, for something. Being on the lam from the law isn't "preaching
the Gospel".
Aaron Kim
2007-06-12 22:12:20 UTC
Permalink
"John Manning" <***@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>> Al Klein wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Manning lies
>>>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>>>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
>>>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>>> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
>>> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>>>
>>> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
>>> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
>>> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original
>>> posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
>>>
>>> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
>>> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
>>> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>>>
>>> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
>>> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
>>> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>>>
>>> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
>>> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
>>> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
>>> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
>>> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
>>> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
>>> Greensboro for gas money.
>>>
>>> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
>>> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
>>> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
>>> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
>>> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
>>> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>>>
>>> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
>>> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>>>
>>> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
>>> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
>>> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
>>> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
>>> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
>>> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
>>> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
>>> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>>>
>>> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
>>> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
>>> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
>>> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
>>> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
>>> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
>>> even to my five children.
>>>
>>> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
>>> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
>>> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
>>> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
>>> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
>>> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>>>
>>> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
>>> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>>>
>>> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
>>> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
>>> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>>>
>>> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
>>> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
>>> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
>>> "They have the sheriff after you".
>>>
>>> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
>>> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>>>
>>> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
>>> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
>>> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
>>> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
>>> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
>>> around her head.
>>>
>>> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
>>> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
>>> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>>>
>>> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
>>> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
>>> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
>>> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
>>> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
>>> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
>>> to him".
>>>
>>> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
>>> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
>>> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
>>> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>>>
>>> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
>>> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
>>> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
>>> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
>>> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
>>> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
>>> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
>>> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
>>> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>>>
>>> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
>>> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
>>> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>>>
>>> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
>>> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
>>> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
>>> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
>>> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the
>>> air.
>>>
>>> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
>>> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
>>> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
>>> which they then did.
>>>
>>> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
>>> across the street!
>>>
>>> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
>>> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
>>> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
>>> hours later.
>>>
>>> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
>>> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
>>> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
>>> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>>>
>>> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>>>
>>> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
>>> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
>>> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
>>> to build Zion.
>>>
>>> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
>>> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
>>> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
>>> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>>>
>>> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
>>> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
>>> robbed me of my family.
>>>
>>> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
>>
>> Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
>> would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
>> towel wrapped around her head.
>>
>> I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
>> inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>
>
> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a nutjob
> fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.

The Prophets of God have always been alone and persecuted. Once again, I
testify by the Spirit that Art is a true Prophet. Manning is a pagan
worshipper.
>
Al Klein
2007-06-13 23:44:07 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:12:20 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>The Prophets of God have always been alone and persecuted.

So have the village idiots.

>Once again, I testify by the Spirit that Art is a true Prophet.

Your Bible says that those who call themselves prophets are liars.
RetroProphet
2007-06-11 23:44:35 UTC
Permalink
>I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here
>seems to inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.


I think Aaron Kim takes top honors for mundane "miracles"
-- behold in awe the "Starbuck's Parking Lot Miracle"...

"I'd like to also share with you a miracle that happened
one night when I pulled into the parking lot of a
Starbucks Coffee Shop close to where I live.

I made the mistake of driving too far into the parking
space and driving my car over the concrete block so that
these two metal poles sticking out from the top of the
block caught my car somewhere underneath my car.

I tried to reverse my car and stepping on the gas but
it remained stuck. I then put the car in neutral and
tried pushing the car from the front but it wouldn't budge.
I tried both things again but with no success.

So I was left with the option of walking back home and
walking back with a jack or asking help from a friendly
passerby. I decided to give prayer a shot. I prayed according
to section 67 of Revelations of Jesus Christ.

After having prayed in the name of the One Mighty and Strong,
Art Bulla, that my car would be freed from its attachment,
I put the car in neutral and pushed the car from the front.

What do you know, the car started to roll back a bit as the
concrete block rising off the ground. With every push,
the car would react in that manner. The whole time I was
thinking to myself how incredible and marvelous the whole
experience was. I could not push it hard enough for it
to be freed though so finally, I stepped behind the wheel
of my car, put my car in reverse, stepped on the gas and
in a few moments the car pulled itself free."

Source:
http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html
Neil Kelsey
2007-06-12 15:29:44 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 11, 4:44 pm, RetroProphet <***@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> >I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here
> >seems to inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>
> I think Aaron Kim takes top honors for mundane "miracles"
> -- behold in awe the "Starbuck's Parking Lot Miracle"...
>
> "I'd like to also share with you a miracle that happened
> one night when I pulled into the parking lot of a
> Starbucks Coffee Shop close to where I live.
>
> I made the mistake of driving too far into the parking
> space and driving my car over the concrete block so that
> these two metal poles sticking out from the top of the
> block caught my car somewhere underneath my car.
>
> I tried to reverse my car and stepping on the gas but
> it remained stuck. I then put the car in neutral and
> tried pushing the car from the front but it wouldn't budge.
> I tried both things again but with no success.
>
> So I was left with the option of walking back home and
> walking back with a jack or asking help from a friendly
> passerby. I decided to give prayer a shot. I prayed according
> to section 67 of Revelations of Jesus Christ.
>
> After having prayed in the name of the One Mighty and Strong,
> Art Bulla, that my car would be freed from its attachment,
> I put the car in neutral and pushed the car from the front.
>
> What do you know, the car started to roll back a bit as the
> concrete block rising off the ground. With every push,
> the car would react in that manner. The whole time I was
> thinking to myself how incredible and marvelous the whole
> experience was. I could not push it hard enough for it
> to be freed though so finally, I stepped behind the wheel
> of my car, put my car in reverse, stepped on the gas and
> in a few moments the car pulled itself free."
>
> Source:http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html

I am really trying to resist making a tasteless joke about how that
story explains Asian drivers, since I'm not inclined that way; but I
DO live in Vancouver, so if anyone has a right, it's me. I love 'em,
but they can't drive and they can't play hockey. And some of my best
friends are Asian drivers!

Anyway, if this is any indication of all it takes to be an Apsotle, I
think we can take the New Testament down a few more notches.
Aaron Kim
2007-06-13 04:30:36 UTC
Permalink
"RetroProphet" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
> >I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here
>>seems to inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>
>
> I think Aaron Kim takes top honors for mundane "mi racles"
> -- behold in awe the "Starbuck's Parking Lot Miracle"...

If you had seen how the car was unmovable one moment and then right after me
praying in the name of the OMS, the car had suddenly loosened, you would
have been impressed. I know there is nothing that God can't do. To those
that believe there are signs and wonders. I know God can divide a sea so
that you can walk through it on dry ground.

> "I'd like to also share with you a miracle that happened
> one night when I pulled into the parking lot of a
> Starbucks Coffee Shop close to where I live.
>
> I made the mistake of driving too far into the parking
> space and driving my car over the concrete block so that
> these two metal poles sticking out from the top of the
> block caught my car somewhere underneath my car.
>
> I tried to reverse my car and stepping on the gas but
> it remained stuck. I then put the car in neutral and
> tried pushing the car from the front but it wouldn't budge.
> I tried both things again but with no success.
>
> So I was left with the option of walking back home and
> walking back with a jack or asking help from a friendly
> passerby. I decided to give prayer a shot. I prayed according
> to section 67 of Revelations of Jesus Christ.
>
> After having prayed in the name of the One Mighty and Strong,
> Art Bulla, that my car would be freed from its attachment,
> I put the car in neutral and pushed the car from the front.
>
> What do you know, the car started to roll back a bit as the
> concrete block rising off the ground. With every push,
> the car would react in that manner. The whole time I was
> thinking to myself how incredible and marvelous the whole
> experience was. I could not push it hard enough for it
> to be freed though so finally, I stepped behind the wheel
> of my car, put my car in reverse, stepped on the gas and
> in a few moments the car pulled itself free."
>
> Source:
> http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html
>
Christopher A.Lee
2007-06-13 08:48:15 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:30:36 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"RetroProphet" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here
>>>seems to inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
>>
>>
>> I think Aaron Kim takes top honors for mundane "mi racles"
>> -- behold in awe the "Starbuck's Parking Lot Miracle"...
>
>If you had seen how the car was unmovable one moment and then right after me
>praying in the name of the OMS, the car had suddenly loosened, you would
>have been impressed. I know there is nothing that God can't do. To those
>that believe there are signs and wonders. I know God can divide a sea so
>that you can walk through it on dry ground.

It would have to exist in the real world outside your masturbatory
fantasies to do anything, brainwashed moron who is too stupid and
disrespectful to keep his certifiable lunacy to himself.
Al Klein
2007-06-12 02:24:56 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:08:32 -0700, Neil Kelsey
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
>inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.

It's just one of the symptoms of his psychosis. At least he's true to
his religion - Smith was a nut job too.
Aaron Kim
2007-06-12 22:03:47 UTC
Permalink
You have to understand that Manning is a low life character who is possessed
with a devilish spirit. He constantly deluges alt.religion.mormon with left
wing articles, a complete troll. This guy doesn't even live in the US. He is
running from the law living in Brazil.

"John Manning" <***@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> Al Klein wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manning lies
>>
>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade the
>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
>
>
> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
>
> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting his
> wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original post
> http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf ]:
>
>
> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law, Clyde.
> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
>
> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I had
> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
> not seen in two weeks. [...]
>
> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs from
> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one to
> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
> Greensboro for gas money.
>
> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was my
> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to a
> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said, "That
> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire and
> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
>
> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law and
> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
>
> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right to
> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry in
> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
> Greensboro when we had completed this.
>
> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took issue
> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain if
> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
> even to my five children.
>
> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for the
> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
>
> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her at
> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
>
> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
>
> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and an
> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
> "They have the sheriff after you".
>
> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak to
> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
>
> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger I
> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
> around her head.
>
> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
>
> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have thought
> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in slavery
> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and "talk
> to him".
>
> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong store
> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw us,
> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
>
> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around her
> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror, of
> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
>
> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
>
> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had me
> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the air.
>
> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
> which they then did.
>
> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
> across the street!
>
> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my heart
> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
> hours later.
>
> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
>
> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
>
> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
> to build Zion.
>
> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I love
> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
>
> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
> robbed me of my family.
>
> See the Google Archive of his post here:
> http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
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2007-06-12 22:27:34 UTC
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> "Neil Kelsey" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:***@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> >> > On Jun 11, 2:08 pm, John Manning <***@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> >> Al Klein wrote:
> >> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:21:46 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Manning lies
> >> >>> About what? you didn't escape? You're posting from inside the
> >> >>> asylum? No wonder you post in the small hours - you have to evade
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> guards and sneak into the doctor's office to use his computer.
> >> >> Art Bulla admitted that he escaped from involuntary commitment. He
> >> >> elaborated on it in a post to alt.religion.mormon.
> >>
> >> >> The following is Art Bulla's own account in his own words of deserting
> >> >> his wife and children and running from the court ordered involuntary
> >> >> commitment like a coward [Google archive link to his original
> >> >> posthttp://tinyurl.com/6xlkf]:
> >>
> >> >> Sheriff's deputies came with handcuffs led by my brother in law,
> >> >> Clyde.
> >> >> My family had been stolen from me by boy scouts with pickup trucks,
> >> >> traiterous mother-in-law, suborned stake authorities, etc. [...]
> >>
> >> >> They brought me handcuffed for trial for involuntary commitmnet. I
> >> >> had
> >> >> flowers in one hand for my wife and candy for the children whom I had
> >> >> not seen in two weeks. [...]
> >>
> >> >> Now after I had made my escape from the clutches of those evil men and
> >> >> women, I made my way back to my in Randolph Co., N.C. (we had a
> >> >> farmhouse which we heated in the winter by burning walnut cut offs
> >> >> from
> >> >> the furniture factories in High Point) and I had no money. And the
> >> >> spirit whispered for me to flee, for there was no mercy there, no one
> >> >> to
> >> >> turn to, and I took my wife's sewing machine to a second hand store in
> >> >> Greensboro for gas money.
> >>
> >> >> The Lord was in it for I made instant friends with the owner who was
> >> >> my
> >> >> age, and he stood out on the main street of Greensboro, and pointed to
> >> >> a
> >> >> building and said, "See that building? I own that building", it was
> >> >> about fifteen stories high. He pointed to several more, and said,
> >> >> "That
> >> >> one is full of refrigerators", etc. He said, he was a millionaire
> >> >> and
> >> >> that he was not as happy as when he had no money.
> >>
> >> >> He considered my plight for I told him of my wife and mother-in-law
> >> >> and
> >> >> the Mormons hunting me like some kind of deer.
> >>
> >> >> And he said that he had a truck and he would come with me at night and
> >> >> load up all the goods in the house and he offered to pay me a sum of
> >> >> money which would enable me to flee the state. I instantly accepted,
> >> >> for the goods were mine, and I did not regard any court has the right
> >> >> to
> >> >> dictate me in my family affairs, despite what the gentile mammon
> >> >> believes, and he and I loaded up everything except what I could carry
> >> >> in
> >> >> my car which was a Triumph Gt 6 hatchback. He drove the truck back to
> >> >> Greensboro when we had completed this.
> >>
> >> >> My wife stole the book of remembrance and I took the genealogy and the
> >> >> journal and a few other items and began camping out. Well they could
> >> >> not find me, and I decided to give Cathy one more chance, for we were
> >> >> very close and I just could not understand her betrayal (she took
> >> >> issue
> >> >> with the revelation I received on my Messiahship which I can explain
> >> >> if
> >> >> given the chance) and invented all sorts of lies about me subsequently
> >> >> even to my five children.
> >>
> >> >> Well the spirit told me to go to Utah, and I determined to leave
> >> >> that next morning. Well, the court put out a warrant for my arrest for
> >> >> contempt, and the spirit had whispered to me to camp out in Guilford
> >> >> Co., which I did, and they could not find me. Well I was leaving for
> >> >> the
> >> >> Tennessee border the next morning and I thought, well I would call her
> >> >> on[e] last time, and she said, in her old manner, "Let's talk"
> >>
> >> >> My heart lept for joy, I was such a fool. She said for me to meet her
> >> >> at
> >> >> old Carl's Grocery Story on Highway 220, at 10:00 pm.
> >>
> >> >> Carl was such a great friend and I was going to baptize him in a farm
> >> >> pond near there, where I had done other baptisms and will always love
> >> >> him for what he did, which I will later explain. Well,
> >>
> >> >> I was driving in my low slung green Triumph GT6 with wire wheels and
> >> >> an
> >> >> in-line six with two zenith-strombug carbeurators, to the appointment,
> >> >> when an audible voice above my head spoke in a clear voice and said,
> >> >> "They have the sheriff after you".
> >>
> >> >> I was completely duped to that point, Cathy knowing just how to speak
> >> >> to
> >> >> me on the phone, the right tone of voice, the words, etc.
> >>
> >> >> The scales of course then fell from my eyes, and I realized the danger
> >> >> I
> >> >> was in. The voice then commanded park the British sports car "behind
> >> >> that tree", which was situated almost directly across the highway from
> >> >> Carl's, and it was a bushy fern, which I obeyed. Well Cathy and her
> >> >> mother showed up at the appointed time, and Clara had a towel wrapped
> >> >> around her head.
> >>
> >> >> Cathy was driving and the first thing she said was "Where
> >> >> is you car?" I immediately said "You have the sheriff after me and we
> >> >> will have to go somewhere else, if you want to talk."
> >>
> >> >> Clara then said "would I be dressed like this, referring to the towel,
> >> >> if I was going to talk to the sheriff?" So her mother must have
> >> >> thought
> >> >> "This guy is smarter than I believed" for she always took me to be a
> >> >> simpleton as she did all men, commanded Cathy (Cathy had been in
> >> >> slavery
> >> >> to her mother before I met her, her mother had ruined three of her own
> >> >> marriages, and now wanted to ruin mine) to get out of the car and
> >> >> "talk
> >> >> to him".
> >>
> >> >> As I looked over Cathy's shoulder into the highway, I immediately saw
> >> >> three sheriff's patrol cars shoot past and they went to the wrong
> >> >> store
> >> >> a little down the highway, and realizing their mistake, for they saw
> >> >> us,
> >> >> turned around with lights and spots ablaze.
> >>
> >> >> Cathy's mother then jumped out of the car and pointed at me, "There he
> >> >> is! There he is!" I remember she still had the towel wrapped around
> >> >> her
> >> >> head, as they began their turn into Carl's small parking lot. Terror,
> >> >> of
> >> >> course seized me, and I sprang into action, and turned and ran for the
> >> >> woods above the railroad tracks behind Carl's Store, and hurtled
> >> >> pell mell straight into the thickest blackberry patch I had ever
> >> >> experienced in my life, for I had grown up in North Carolina, and used
> >> >> to pick blackberries for a pie my mother would make. They seemed to
> >> >> frequent railroad tracks a lot,
> >>
> >> >> and the over-weight sheriff's deputies balked at chasing me on foot,
> >> >> especially into the fearsome patch, and one of my relatives, a Bulla,
> >> >> was the Chief of Police in Asheboro.
> >>
> >> >> I finally reached the tracks I knew were there and crouched down and
> >> >> watched and waited apprehensively. They congregated milled about, and
> >> >> began searching for my car, for if they found it, they would have had
> >> >> me
> >> >> dead to rights, for this was a rural area. Their spotlights searched
> >> >> high and low, and the beams occasionaly would point crazily up in the
> >> >> air.
> >>
> >> >> Then my great friend Carl (who stood over six feet) came out of his
> >> >> store and in a loud voice which I could distinctly hear pierced the
> >> >> night air, and commanded to the crowd, "Get off of my property! Now!"
> >> >> which they then did.
> >>
> >> >> They searched for three hours for my Triumph, even though it was just
> >> >> across the street!
> >>
> >> >> When they finally gave up, and all was calm and deserted, with my
> >> >> heart
> >> >> in my throat, I made my way down to the highway and bolted across it,
> >> >> jumped in my Triumph, and was across the Tennessee state line a few
> >> >> hours later.
> >>
> >> >> I stopped at a pay phone and tried to call Cathy, for I was still in
> >> >> love with her, and she just hung up on me without saying a word. So I
> >> >> was delivered by the hand of the Lord, that I could sing my song and
> >> >> publish peace and say upon the mountains to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!"
> >>
> >> >> So that is the true story of my "desertion".
> >>
> >> >> Brigham Young "deserted" his wife and children on a sick bed to go to
> >> >> England on a mission, and my mission was to the decrepit and corrupt
> >> >> Mormons to try to reclaim them from the bondage of Babylon the Great
> >> >> to build Zion.
> >>
> >> >> Jesus "deserted" his wives and children to be hung on a piece of wood,
> >> >> worse than a common thief. If that is "desertion" so be it, for I
> >> >> love
> >> >> the Kingdom of God and its righteousness more than my life or even my
> >> >> children, though I wept many times over their situation.
> >>
> >> >> Eliza left home many times because the Mormons stole her from me, and
> >> >> she will today have nothing to do with the enlightened Mormons mob who
> >> >> robbed me of my family.
> >>
> >> >> See the Google Archive of his post here:http://tinyurl.com/6xlkf
> >>
> >> > Wow. I wouldn't mind hearing Cathy's version of these events, and
> >> > would also like to know how she managed all those activities with a
> >> > towel wrapped around her head.
> >>
> >> > I also liked the term "fearsome blackberry bush." Art here seems to
> >> > inflate his most mundane stories into Biblical epics.
> >>
> >> He 'thinks' he is the center of a Biblical epic. In reality he's a
> >> nutjob fugitive from the law who lives in Baja, Mexico in a shack.-
> >
> > Somehow being a fugitive from social services over domestic issues
> > doesn't have quite the same cachet for a prophet as say, being nailed
> > to a cross for the sins of humanity. Oh well.
>
> Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
> the Gospel.
>

Well, since "preaching the Gospel" is not a crime, what was the actual
reason that he was on the lam?


-- cary
Cary Kittrell
2007-06-14 00:05:14 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com> Al Klein <***@pern.invalid> writes:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:15:47 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
> >the Gospel.
>
> Well, for something. Being on the lam from the law isn't "preaching
> the Gospel".

The Kim's absolutely refuse to discuss exactly why Artis was on
the lam, in spite of repeated requests.

Wonder why that is?



-- cary
Al Klein
2007-06-14 00:45:49 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:05:14 +0000 (UTC), ***@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com> Al Klein <***@pern.invalid> writes:
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:15:47 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <***@artbulla.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Art was forced to live in the mountains of Utah over a decade for preaching
>> >the Gospel.
>>
>> Well, for something. Being on the lam from the law isn't "preaching
>> the Gospel".
>
>The Kim's absolutely refuse to discuss exactly why Artis was on
>the lam, in spite of repeated requests.
>
>Wonder why that is?

Involvement in the crime?
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-11 22:36:38 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?

The basis of "you're a loony!"

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Robibnikoff
2007-06-12 14:19:18 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>
>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>
> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-12 14:49:17 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>
>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>
>> --
>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>
> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)

Sunny Muffins! Say it!

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Robibnikoff
2007-06-12 16:39:48 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>
>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>
>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>
>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>
> Sunny Muffins! Say it!

Que? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-12 22:18:03 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>>
>>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>>
>>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>>
>> Sunny Muffins! Say it!
>
> Que? ;)

Mother smurfer! You haven't seen that one?

(You *have seen the cuddle soft bear yes?)

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Robibnikoff
2007-06-13 11:38:42 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>>>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>>>
>>>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>>>
>>>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>>>
>>> Sunny Muffins! Say it!
>>
>> Que? ;)
>
> Mother smurfer! You haven't seen that one?

Hey, I only caught it that one night I couldn't sleep with the stomach flu -
And what I've seen on Youtube :)
>
> (You *have seen the cuddle soft bear yes?)

No! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-13 14:15:38 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:38:42 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
>>>>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>>>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>>>>
>>>> Sunny Muffins! Say it!
>>>
>>> Que? ;)
>>
>> Mother smurfer! You haven't seen that one?
>
> Hey, I only caught it that one night I couldn't sleep with the stomach flu -
> And what I've seen on Youtube :)

One word:

Tivo

>> (You *have seen the cuddle soft bear yes?)
>
> No! :)

The following link is neither work nor kid friendly...

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=56302037cc14ca0d89600bf142110a0a

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Robibnikoff
2007-06-13 14:37:47 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:38:42 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>>>>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunny Muffins! Say it!
>>>>
>>>> Que? ;)
>>>
>>> Mother smurfer! You haven't seen that one?
>>
>> Hey, I only caught it that one night I couldn't sleep with the stomach
>> flu -
>> And what I've seen on Youtube :)
>
> One word:
>
> Tivo
>
>>> (You *have seen the cuddle soft bear yes?)
>>
>> No! :)
>
> The following link is neither work nor kid friendly...
>
> http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=56302037cc14ca0d89600bf142110a0a

Hahahaha! Watched it without sound, but could definitely get the jist of
what was going on there. Poor Cuddles! :)
--
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BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-13 14:57:51 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:37:47 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:38:42 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:19:18 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:21:46 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The basis of "you're a loony!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>>>>>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ha! Robot Chicken!!! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunny Muffins! Say it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Que? ;)
>>>>
>>>> Mother smurfer! You haven't seen that one?
>>>
>>> Hey, I only caught it that one night I couldn't sleep with the stomach
>>> flu -
>>> And what I've seen on Youtube :)
>>
>> One word:
>>
>> Tivo
>>
>>>> (You *have seen the cuddle soft bear yes?)
>>>
>>> No! :)
>>
>> The following link is neither work nor kid friendly...
>>
>> http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=56302037cc14ca0d89600bf142110a0a
>
> Hahahaha! Watched it without sound, but could definitely get the jist of
> what was going on there. Poor Cuddles! :)

"I just want to help you with your clothes!"

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
JohnN
2007-06-13 14:48:10 UTC
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On Jun 11, 4:21 am, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> Manning lies, as usual. Because I receive revelations I am judged by
> antiChrist fools to be insane, and on what basis? Because God has not
> condescended to speak to them!

Martyrdom would convence all of us. Why don't you become a martyr and
teach us all a lesson, real soon.

JohnN
Art Bulla
2007-06-11 08:06:05 UTC
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The tack taken by all antiChrists, "behold it is the effect of a frenzied
mind" a la Korihor and Manning (a child-molesting queer). Manning is an
eastern devotee, and characteristic of all these bald holy men in the east
(India, Turkey, etc) is they molest boys and children as a rite of passage.
Manning was a chief devotee and guru of these, and became head of a
child-molesting cult in the US and now has fled to Brazil to escape justice
and of course this devl is continually slandering the prophets of God and
trying to destroy the work of God, crucifying the Lord afresh, as part and
parcel of the slop he continually serves up, and if he were in my presence
and said those things to my face, I would shed his blood, for I could not
restrain. But he is a coward and attacks personally from behind a keyboard
as the coward he is.

From the TM newsgroup:

Author: ***@yahoo.com

Date: 03/03/2002

John - Just exactly how did you learn all about yoga and the Maharsihi if
you lived up in Provo and Ogden, Utah for 30+ years? Also, don't you think
it is a little hypocritical of you to bash all the LDS, yet for all the time
that you lived up there you were worshiping Hindu Gods all that time? And,
what about all that "yogic flying"; what's up with that? Do you still use
your 'secret 'word to get into 'Heaven on Earth"? And, what about that
'initiation' where you bow down in front a little pagan altar? Apparently,
those TM-Sidhi prorammes are very expensive; where did you get all that

money? Does anyone still teach TM up in Ogden, that is, besides yourself?

So, if you are an apostate Catholic, never was a Mormon, and are no longer a
teacher of TM, and you have never met Christ or Buddha or Krishna or Allah,
just exactly how did you meet Eros? You are either in Brazil or Ontario now,
dosen't matter. Just answer the questions so we will all know where you are
coming from.

And, what's up with your newsgroup obsession?

Worshipping idols has allowed the devil to take your mind completely over.

But, you were one of the top ring-leaders of a fringe Hindu cult yourself
for many years. It's one thing to be a liar, Manning, but do you have to be
a hypocrite too?

So, it turns out that Manning posted a little lie about a U.S. security,
etc, etc (about Manning's continual left-wing, anti-American diatribes).

From another post on TM newsgroup about Manning:

Exposure of Manning Number 4

From: Art Bulla <***@artbulla.com>
Date: Sep 16 2005 - 4:01pm

Manning you are proven to be a complete pervert. You are one of the few
people who can lie without blinking an eyelash. A true sociopath. I have
done a little research on you. You say that Willytex is a liar but I know
that it is you. You have such a low character it is off scale. And the
reason is you are a queer. There is a shiver all away down through the
middle of your being which prevents you from seeing the world in the correct
view, hence your left-wing politics. My analysis and discernment of you was
correct in the beginning, despite the objections from fellow sodomites: "The
politics of the left is driven by their sexual depravity." Michael Savage is
BYU detected you as well with their personality profile testing. You hate
manliness, therefore you hate God. Shame on the sycophants on the spirit for
letting you hijack it into a vain political podium for queer politics!
Apostate Jews, queers, feminists, murderers, libertines all cheer when you
post, but you do not need them, you are a one-man mob. The same mob that
crucified Jesus and killed all the prophets. Mobs art comprised mainly of
queers, who are insulted at manliness. Hence your persecution of George
Bush.

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Shemp McGurk wrote: Discuss.

Shemp - What's to discuss? John Manning's words will follow him for a long
time since he signed his own name to all those racist and anti-religious
messages he posted all over the Internet. He must have posted 10,000 posts
bashing the Mormons alone!

About two years ago I actually thought John Manning had some sense of
decency in him. After being taken to task on Yahoo! TMControversy by Judy
Stein who accused him of being a liar and a racist, he backed down and
seemed to do a flip-flop. He even apologized, sort of, for calling the Jews
a "bullshit group." That was before he hijacked alt.m.t. so he could turn it
into his personal political soapbox.

Ever since then he's spammed everything in sight up to and including
accusing Delia of misleading the forum on the harmful effects of DHMO!
Manning called Delia a "Pagan." ROTFL!!!

But his last few posts (see below) have convinced me that he has no
integrity at all and probably never had any in the first place. An avowed
Deaniac, he wants to have it both ways: the Vietnam war was an immoral war
and U.S. troops committed atrocities over there, yet, he wants us to vote
for John Kerry who is proud of the fact that he served in Vietnam and
committed atrocities over there. How can anyone figure that one out?

John Manning has shown everyone that he is an intollerant hypocrite. He's
bashed the Maharishi, TMers, the TMO, the Jews, Christians, Mormons, Pagans,
and just about every religious faith on the planet. If it wasn't for his
fear of Judy Stein he'd still be bashing the Maharishi on a daily basis and
posting rumors about Mr. Varma's private sex life.

Can you believe that John Manning published my TM mantra on the Internet and
then made fun of my spiritual practice? Can you believe that this guy made
the claim to have initiated over 5,000 people into TM? What a phoney fuk!

The guy is a loser, pure and simple. In my opinion John Manning has taken
this forum to a new all-time low, and that's saying a lot! I think John
Manning and that other Barry "whats-his-name" (see below), should be banned
from Usenet. I'm convinced that the two of them are practicing voodoo and
black magic and sticking pins in dolls when they're not posting hate mail
here.

It speaks volumes that not a single respondent on this forum challenged
their most recent devilish remarks. At one point I thought there was some
integrity left on alt.m.t - not any more. It is, like John Stanley noted,
the "cesspool of Usenet."





"MarkA" <***@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:59:49 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>
>> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
>> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
>> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
>> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time
>> to
>> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>>
>> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>>
>
> <snip mindless drivel>
>
> Dude, the psych center called. You are WAY overdue for your electro-shock
> therapy. They are waiting to hear from you.
>
> --
> MarkA
> (pretend this is a clever sig line)
>
Uncle Vic
2007-06-10 17:21:23 UTC
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> bloodied us
up with this:

> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency
> of the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion

Actually, he's my pot dealer.

--
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Art Bulla
2007-06-11 08:11:15 UTC
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Matt 12:32
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Luke 12:10
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be
forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall
not be forgiven.
"Uncle Vic" <***@withheld.com> wrote in message
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> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> bloodied us
> up with this:
>
>> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency
>> of the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion
>
> Actually, he's my pot dealer.
>
> --
> Uncle Vic
> aa Atheist #2011
> Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
> chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
> Convicted by Earthquack.
>
>
Al Klein
2007-06-11 20:30:59 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:11:15 -0700, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com>
wrote:

>Matt 12:32
> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
>forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
>forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
>
>Luke 12:10
> 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be
>forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall
>not be forgiven.

What extra-Biblical evidence do you have that any of this is true?
(Luke itself claims to be merely the opinion of one man with an
extremely overinflated opinion of himself [much like most religious
leaders]: Luke 1:1-3, "Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set
forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely
believed among us ... It seemed good to me also, having had perfect
understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in
order ...")
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-11 22:35:45 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:11:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> Matt 12:32
> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
> forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
> forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

You mean like: "Fuck the holy ghost!"

Dat work?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Robibnikoff
2007-06-12 14:18:57 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:11:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>
>> Matt 12:32
>> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
>> forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not
>> be
>> forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
>
> You mean like: "Fuck the holy ghost!"

Oh my.
>
> Dat work?

I dunno. You smell sulfur?
--
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#1557
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-06-12 14:49:44 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:18:57 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:11:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>>> Matt 12:32
>>> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
>>> forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not
>>> be
>>> forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
>>
>> You mean like: "Fuck the holy ghost!"
>
> Oh my.
>>
>> Dat work?
>
> I dunno. You smell sulfur?

Lucky's under *your desk too???

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
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Robibnikoff
2007-06-12 16:40:11 UTC
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@com.mkbilbo...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:18:57 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>> news:***@com.mkbilbo...
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:11:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt 12:32
>>>> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
>>>> forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall
>>>> not
>>>> be
>>>> forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
>>>
>>> You mean like: "Fuck the holy ghost!"
>>
>> Oh my.
>>>
>>> Dat work?
>>
>> I dunno. You smell sulfur?
>
> Lucky's under *your desk too???

I wish! I'd sick 'em on the boss ;)
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Uncle Vic
2007-06-14 04:58:43 UTC
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Robibnikoff" <***@broomstick.com>
bloodied us up with this:


>> You mean like: "Fuck the holy ghost!"
>
> Oh my.
>>
>> Dat work?
>
> I dunno. You smell sulfur?

I smelled it when I was in Lassen Volcanic National Park a few weeks ago on
a classic bike trip. No gods in sight, or burning souls either. There
*was* some boiling mud, though. Reality is just sooooo cool!

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Uncle Vic
2007-06-12 06:00:24 UTC
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> bloodied us
up with this:


> "Uncle Vic" <***@withheld.com> wrote in message
> news:***@216.196.97.142...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> bloodied
>> us up with this:
>>
>>> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the
>>> agency of the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion
>>
>> Actually, he's my pot dealer.
>>

Top posting fixed (you're welcome)

> Matt 12:32
> 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
> forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall
> not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to
> come.
>
> Luke 12:10
> 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall
> be
> forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it
> shall not be forgiven.


So I'm supposed to fear what your religion says about people within your
religion saying things against your religion? Did you also have trouble
mastering the concept of intersecting sets in 2nd grade math class?

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Deathbringer
2007-06-11 02:44:14 UTC
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For an educated man, you have an awfully hard time finding the ente
key, don't you? It creates these things called paragraph breaks, whic
make it easier for people to read your rambling and angry sermons..

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Andy W
2007-06-11 22:48:09 UTC
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On 10 Jun, 07:59, "Art Bulla" <***@artbulla.com> wrote:
> 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many
> revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things;
> for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I
> had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to
> time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
>
> EVIDENCE AND A PROPHECY
>
> What evidence do you have that what I have declared through the agency of
> the Holy Ghost, which is my constant companion by ordinance and by right, is
> not true?

You're making the claim, you prove it is true.

> I have your word only, for behold ye do not know, neither do you
> consider your own consciences or minds, and reflect upon them. Behold, you
> have no evidence, but I have the written testimony of all these, my
> brethren, the Prophets of Israel, as testimony, and I have the testimony of
> thunderings and lightnings which shall streak forth, and I have the
> testimony of the earth which shall move to and fro as a drunken man in that
> day, and I have the testimony of a voice which shook the ground upon which I
> stood, and I have also the testimony of the Holy Ghost which dwelleth within
> me to the confounding of the world, and death and hell, and the wicked and
> unbelievers and scoffers, and I have the ministration of angels, one of
> which hurled the Green Beret onto his back unhurt, and I have the testimony
> of being removed from my body to behold His face, and I have the testimony
> of speaking in the Adamic tongue for upwards of an hour while conversing
> with Him in the Spirit of the Most High, and I have the testimony of my
> laying my hands upon the Heroin addict whose heart was pure and who was
> humble and desired a witness after baptism by immersion at my hands, and him
> receiving in great power, the Holy Ghost and exclaiming aloud while under
> the power thereof, and I have the testimony of laying my hands upon the sick
> and they being healed, and I have the testimony of casting the devils out of
> a young woman afflicted therewith and seeing with my own eyes them as they
> left her in a fury, and departed, and the testimony of revelations and the
> Spirit of Prophecy and the Spirit of Administration and Knowledge and Power.

Wow. All these "testimonies" and yet not so much as a link to prove
you didn't make the whole thing up. Your posts are indistingushable
from those of a ranting madman. And would it kill you to use a
paragraph break every once in a while?

<snip drivel that no-one wanted to read anyway>

> I say unto you in the heat and passion of my soul, that
> you have caused a great curse to come upon the land, and have caused my God
> to speak unto me that I should come out unto you and prophesy of a great
> evil which shall befall the inhabitants of this land, except they repent.

That's your prophecy, is it?

It's rubbish.

"Something bad will happen," what kind of prophecy is that? Actually,
it's the usual kind: no dates, names, places, events or anything else
that would make it useful or meaningful in any way. Is that your best?

> I say unto you in the name of Messiah, that if you will put off your sins and
> humble yourselves before me who hath been sent unto you with a message from
> your Creator

Ahahahahahaha!

Here's a prophecy for you: that isn't going to happen.

Andy
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